Welcome poets, I’m Anna Montgomery, and I’ll be your host today for Meeting the Bar. I will be introducing you to some aspects of contemporary poetry. While we’ll focus on one each time I host, about once a month, I intend for the exercises and experiments to build upon one another as we explore together. I believe these ideas will stretch your imagination and skills in ways you may not have encountered or even considered before. I ask that you entertain and try these techniques, not necessarily that you embrace or incorporate them. By the end of this series, and by remaining open-minded and willing to try new things, I hope you’ll find an expanded sense of what’s possible in poetry and a better sense of what ideas in contemporary poetry will be of use in your artistic endeavors. Learning, imitating, and experimenting are useful ways to improve our poetry. To put us in the spirit of things I’ll start with a reminder from Ray Bradbury that, ‘Creativity is a continual surprise.’
Some of the aspects of the Language (or L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E) Poets, Postmodern, or Avant-Garde (a contested term) will be contradictory. Language Poets do not have an agreed upon set of tenets to which they adhere. Influenced by post-structuralism, deconstruction, feminist critique, and the poetry movements that preceded it language poetry is a concatenation of convergent and sometimes divergent ideas. The fallacy of the high/low cultural distinction; self as construct; concepts of non- or anti-narrative; ambiguity; and eliminating the distinction between thought, utterance, and text, are just a few of the concerns that define postmodern poetry. Largely it calls into question assumptions about the foundations of poetry, as Susan Howe aptly asks, ‘Who polices questions of grammar, parts of speech, connection, and connotation? Whose order is shut inside the structure of a sentence?’
We’ll investigate these issues and others without getting into an academic critique, i.e. the post-Marxist slant of the Aesthetic Tendency and the Politics of Poetry: A Manifesto. Rest assured, not only do I not have a manifesto or credo of poetry to peddle but I am not an arbiter of taste, here to persuade you of the efficacy of these ideas, or judge of the success of your experimentation. I’m a fellow poet traveler, interested in expanding my own horizons and enjoying the journey with other lovers of the art. Experimentation can be a frightening experience. A D Jameson makes an excellent etymological point that ‘both experiment and experience share a root with peril’ which is why we come together in this mutually supportive environment. Let’s share some trail mix, commiserate over blisters, and have some fun along the way.
Since many of you incorporate prose, or aspects of prose, into your poetry already I thought this might be a good place to start. Even if you haven’t tried it, it’s highly likely you read prose and are familiar with its tenets. Within postmodern poetry, prose, or prose-like passages can provide a way to meld narrative and anti-narrative elements. It can also allow the poet room to switch from abstract to concrete language, from more structured communication to free verse, or to create a collage. Prose poetry preserves poetic language through heighten imagery or emotional effects. To help us more fully grasp prose in poetry or prose-poetry here are three short excerpts and one much longer selection:
from Rosmarie Waldrop’s Inserting the Mirror
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I tried to understand the mystery of names by staring into the mirror and repeating mine over and over. Or the word ‘me.’ As if one could come into language as into a room. Lost in the blank, my obsessive detachment spiraled out into the unusable space of infinity, indifferent nakedness. I sat down in it. No balcony for clearer view, but I could focus on the silvered lack of substance or the syllables that correspond to it because all resonance grows from consent to emptiness. But maybe, in my craving for hinges, I confused identity with someone else.
from Codex by Stephen Rodefer
That is the glebe and this is the glissando. The future is nothing
But a flying wing. You must make your case either with names or with an
unfolding.
A position or a disclosure, a microbus. The corridor, the cascade, what stuck.
from Jealousy by Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge
Attention was commanded through a simple, unadorned, unexplained, often
decentered presence,
up to now, a margin of empty space like water, its surface contracting, then
melting
along buried pipelines, where gulls gather in euphoric buoyancy. Now,
the growth of size vital, the significance of contraction by a moat,
a flowerbed, or
a fenced path around the reservoir, its ability to induce the mind’s
growing experience of the breath
A wonderful reading by the author is available here for Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge’s Fog: http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/authors/Berssenbrugge/WPS1/Berssenbrugge-Mei-mei_01_from-Fog_WPS1_NY_4-28-06.mp3
In researching this article I reread and highly recommend Postmodern American Poetry: A Norton Anthology edited by Paul Hoover. A helpful book for those looking to delve deeper is The Cambridge Introduction to Twentieth Century Poetry by Christopher Beach which not only covers the Language Poets but movements throughout the past century. Another invaluable resource was English 88: Modern and Contemporary Poetry, a course at the University of Pennsylvania taught by Al Filreis. Professor Filreis has a site full of lectures, books and many other amazing resources: http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88v/chap900a.html & http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/home.html. In addition to these fine sources I want to highlight an excellent article by A D Jameson (who gave his permission to share and quote from it), What is Experimental Art? , published at Big Other: http://bigother.com/2010/03/12/what-is-experimental-art/ . I’ll be referring to and drawing from all these sources in articles to come as well.
Now for the fun and challenge: write a prose-poem or incorporate passages of prose into your poem. If you have difficulty writing prose or would simply like to try the challenge you can incorporate another writer’s prose into your work. Proper attribution is required and fair use applies (http://www.mbbp.com/resources/iptech/fair_use.html) or you can mine free source material http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-a-m.html. Postmodern poets often borrow from other writers. Oh and Happy National Poetry Day to the UK! I didn’t know until Glenn Buttkus let me know via Twitter. The theme is stars, a bit of synchronicity for me (if you read my poem you’ll see why). Their link is here: http://www.nationalpoetryday.co.uk/.
To participate:
• Write your poem and post it on your blog or website.
• Copy the direct link to the URL and paste it, along with your name, in the Mr. Linky at the bottom of this post.
• Stop by the pub to read and comment on the work of other poets who are participating, especially those who cared enough to comment on yours.
• Have fun and spread the word to other poet friends.
Susan L Daniels said:
Anna–I completely enjoyed your discussion here. Well done!
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks Susan! I do hope you’ll join us today.
Susan L Daniels said:
I did. Amazingly enough, the prompt fit something I was doing with poetry & notes…
Anna Montgomery said:
I love it when that happens, look forward to reading it.
claudia said:
anna this is a fabulous article… and weaving prose and poetry together makes for some cool, interesting and surprising effects… i really enjoyed experimenting with it and now looking forward to read..
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks Claudia, I’ve really enjoyed seeing what you and Brian did with it and am excited to see what people come up with. I thought it was a fun experiment too.
tashtoo said:
Welcome to the pub, Anna! This is going to be a fantastic run that I am incredibly looking forward to…so happy to have you here and being given the opportunity to pluck from that brilliant mind of yours. 🙂
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks for the enthusiastic and warm welcome Tash, I am excited!
festivalking said:
Wow! Thanks for this! 🙂 I wrote something a while back and thought it was just weird at the time, but after reading this article I can totally relate 🙂
Anna Montgomery said:
Haha, that’s fantastic, can’t wait!
festivalking said:
is it ok if i reblog it?
festivalking said:
well I put it up! 🙂 … Happy reading all the same and thanks once again 😉
claudia said:
great!
Gay said:
Welcome, welcome to the pub dear Anna! A very interesting article and by some serendipitous accident it plays into an idea I had over the weekend. However, as I was researching my idea which seemed pretty weird to me in the “how” of it, I realized the scope of the idea was quite large – possibly book length rather than short poem length. I made some notes and may try to get a rough draft of the idea up today to see what people think of it; however, I think the scope of this might take me quite a long time to complete to my satisfaction.
This was an eye opening article and I am curious to follow your links.
Anna Montgomery said:
Thank you Gay, it is a dream to be here. As you may know (haha) I adore ideas which seem ‘pretty weird’ so I am really looking forward to what you offer today. The links are well worth browsing as there’s so much to spark creativity and experimentation out there.
ManicDdaily said:
Hi Anna, Welcome! I enjoyed your article and bits of poems. This is a day of travel for me, and unfortunately by car rather than train, so I’m not sure when I’ll be able to come up with something but we’ll see. k.
Anna Montgomery said:
Thank you, k! I do hope things settle a bit so you can come play with us :)!
ManicDdaily said:
Well, I don’t know about settling down. But I happen to be slated to be in a car for a few hours tonight, which is not so usual for me and will be harder than train! We
;; see
claudia said:
hey, you’re doing a lot of traveling lately k. – almost getting a bit envious..smiles
ManicDdaily said:
Well, some of it has been quite nice. None has meant vacation, unfortunately, but I’ve been lucky to go to places I care about, so even if I’ve still been working, have been able to do it in good places.
charlesmashburn said:
For those who aren’t aware, my blog is primarily a tool I use to spiritually encourage those who wish to read it. I also post poetry, short stories, and articles, which I hope entertain the reader, but the truth is they are a sideline/hobby. The poetry prompt here at dVerse Poets Pub’s “Meeting the Bar” feature today prompted me to try and combine the two. I don’t know if what I’ve come up with is what Anna was shooting for, but in any case I hope you enjoy it.
Anna Montgomery said:
Charles, I am wide open, no expectations :).
charlesmashburn said:
Awesome! Thanks!
claudia said:
and i did enjoy it..
Anna Montgomery said:
Charles, it was a different link before, one I’d commented on so I’m sorry, I’ll be there next.
Daydreamertoo said:
Hugely interesting read Anna. 🙂 Thank you. Hope mine meets the bill or, rather.. the bar 😉
Anna Montgomery said:
Haha, I’m sure it will. Thanks so much!
claudia said:
bedtime for me…see you in the morning poets..
Anna Montgomery said:
Sleep well Claudia, thanks again!
Snakypoet (Rosemary Nissen-Wade) said:
Oh, I am so delighted that someone will finally explain language poetry to me! It has me totally bamboozled. Meanwhile, I have tried prose poetry a bit, and for today’s share have just added an old one to my blog, which (for me) is more experimental than those already there.
Anna Montgomery said:
Well your comment has delighted me! I look forward to sharing the exploration and reading what you have for us today :)!
Anna Montgomery said:
To let you all know I am through the first nine and have to step out for about an hour and a half to teach a voice lesson. Wonderful stuff so far and I can’t wait to get home to read more!
brian miller said:
just blew in from work….great article and prompt ann….chased some of the links as i was reviewing it last night and found some incredible stuff too…..
Anna Montgomery said:
So glad you checked out the links, rich and inspiring material :). I’m off to teach!
brian miller said:
have fun teaching…i will hang out a bit and greet people as they come in…thanks for a great opening anna…
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks so much, I’m back for a few hours and look forward to diving back in!
jenneandrews said:
Brilliant essay, Anna– we are blessed to have you! xxxj
brian miller said:
you joining in jenne?
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks Jenne, I do hope you’ll join us.
nico said:
Just found this site, and really l liked the essay . . . and everything else I’ve looked at so far. Thought I’d give this a try. I look forward to reading and commenting!
Anna Montgomery said:
Welcome, that’s wonderful. Very nice to meet you.
brian miller said:
nice…welcome to dverse…
Mary said:
Interesting article, Anna. I always enjoy your poetry.. My muse is being ‘quitet’ today, however. If this changes, I will post a link. Welcome to dVerse!!
Mary said:
Welcome to dVerse, Anna. I enjoyed your article very much. My muse is being a bit too quiet today. I am still trying to summon her. Some days are like that! Sigh.
Anna Montgomery said:
Yes, she can be fickle, thanks so much for the welcome!
brian miller said:
may she find you ready mary…smiles…
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Welcome aboard, Anna. A well-thought-through post.
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks so much Victoria; I’m very happy to be here.
Laurie Kolp said:
Hi, Anna. I love your prompt today… way to go girl, starting with such a bang. I hope to write something tonight and post. Things are crazy around here lately. Just wanted you to know I’ll be back later.
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks Laurie, I’d love to read it if you do! It’s been go, go, go here all week too so I hear you.
Laurie Kolp said:
It’s October… I had witchcraft in my mind.
Anna Montgomery said:
Ooooo, great teaser.
Sheila said:
you sparked my interest here, Anna. Your article reminded me of a prose-poem I wrote last month that I had forgotten about until now. I thought it would work well for this prompt. So, when I went to find it (just a little while ago) I received some cool news! So, thanks on more one level 🙂
Anna Montgomery said:
Congratulations! You’re very welcome and wonderful to hear the neurons are firing :). I look forward to it!
brian miller said:
what? you leave us hanging sheila! what is the news?
John (@bookdreamer) said:
Sets to be an interesting series of takes on poetry. Sadly, I’ve just come back from a glitter award gala evening so can’t do it justice. I have posted a prose-poem I did a long time ago that breaks all the rules of formal poetry…no rhymes, no line, no imagery and so so on but…
Anna Montgomery said:
Sounds exciting, both the glitter gala and the poem. I’ll be by soon (just finished 12).
brian miller said:
about to jump off for a bit….my fam will finally be home tonight and being as today is my oldest sons bday, we are having a little fam party before bed…but i will be back once things settle down again…smiles….keep it flowing poets…
The Course of Our Seasons said:
Good grief – somehow added another poem to the link – sorry about that – the second entry should be deleted if possible. Tonights entry is Copper Beeches. Thanks, Anna, this was an interesting exercise! K
Anna Montgomery said:
This is my first experience with Mr. Linky so I will try but can’t promise anything :). Thanks for letting me know which is the correct poem. So glad you joined in the fun.
charlesmashburn said:
Anna! My apologies for putting up the wrong link! I’ve put the correct one up, so feel free to eliminate the first one, if you need to.
Anna Montgomery said:
As I said to Kathleen I am new to Mr. Linky and our first introduction wasn’t as polite as it could of been, let’s just say he stepped on my toes :). I will see what I can figure out. Thanks Charles.
charlesmashburn said:
ah’ight den
brian miller said:
i will go in and delete the previous links here in a min everyone
Anna Montgomery said:
Thank you, hope you had a great party. I was beginning to feel like the adolescent babysitter waiting for an adult to come home saying: ‘Mr. Miller, I couldn’t find the diaper bin so I had to put it in a baggie but then the dog . . .’ while I suddenly become very interested in my shoes and come to terms with the evaporation of my tip. – haha
brian miller said:
haha…i will ring the tip jar for you big time…you have done a great job on the prompt and tending pub tonight ma’am…and i will give you the tutorial on mr linky sometime…once you know how it is pretty easy….smiles.
the party went well…kinda short as we had to get them to bed but he is star wars=ed up for now and i am sure the weekend will be full of play…
Anna Montgomery said:
That’s great to hear, I’m sure he needed the stress release, as you all did. Thanks for the encouragement; it’s been fun!
brian miller said:
i deleted the second and changed the first behind the scenes charles…
charlesmashburn said:
thanks!
Cressida de Nova said:
Once again another interesting article on a complex linguistic topic. I have not read the links as yet but will do. I love your painting…very very good…ha and the title!
Anna Montgomery said:
Wonderful to see you and thank you! The painting is a tribute to Gerhard Richter, whom you may be familiar with, a magnificent (largely) nonrepresentational painter hence the come on title :).
brian miller said:
you did very well with this cressida…it reminded me of a presentation we had at school this week…and it was heart felt…
Heaven (@asweetlust) said:
Interesting post…I wish I have more time to write on prose as its my weakest form.
But I do love the idea of mixing it up as prose poetry is wonderful to read. This is something I want to explore and improve on….thanks for all the links Anna ~
Anna Montgomery said:
That’s wonderful to know, I hope you find good things to aid your exploration.
Uneven Stephen said:
Thanks for the wonderful prompt, Anna! I gave it a shot, but it turned out to be more of a stream of consciousness/prose piece. 🙂
Anna Montgomery said:
You’re welcome! I love stream of consciousness so yay :).
Susan said:
Hey, Anna, such a fine challenge! Awe for your work on it! I am a great fan–though not a writer–of language poetry. I Have a friend who’s just great at writing it and even jovially whimsical, but I only “get it” if she reads it aloud. Hence I’ve gone in other directions. But, go figure, I enjoyed all the links above, and reading them first actually enhanced my listening pleasure at the Louise Erdricht reading tonight! I have returned, and still like the bit of philosophy I penned earlier. Thanks to Brian for posting it and thanks to BOTH of YOU for reading it.
Anna Montgomery said:
That’s great feedback, Susan, wonderful it enhanced your experience. I loved your bit of philosophy, thanks for joining in!
brian miller said:
alright poets….be back in the AM to see what you got…ready to get some real sleep now that my fam is home…see you manana….good stuff tonight…
claudia said:
good morning poets…cup of coffee next to me and off to see what the overnights brought to the pub…
claudia said:
didn’t manage to catch all and have to leave for work now but will be back in the evening to read more…see ya…
Anna Montgomery said:
I will be back in the morning, bright eyed and bushy tailed, see why I need to sign off :)? Goodnight, thanks for the delicious poetry it will surely give me fascinating dreams.
ManicDdaily said:
Hi Anna – I’m in at last. It is longer than I’d like, but hope okay. k.
Anna Montgomery said:
How exciting!
Anna Montgomery said:
I love it (especially the allusions to Woolf) but my typers are tuckered out so I’ll be by in the morning to comment.
nephiriel said:
off to work i go… will be musing… and write when i get back!
Anna Montgomery said:
Looking forward to it!
nephiriel said:
whew, that took me quite a while… just what i needed to clear my head after a stressful day.
thanks for your wonderful prompt, Anna!
Anna Montgomery said:
That’s great to hear; I’m excited you joined us!
sonny said:
i hope i am not too late…..its mad..this business of real living…can’t lose oneself in writing as much as one wants to….
anna…loved loved loved reading this article …thank you !
i hope what i came up with fits the bill…looking forward to reading everybody slowly…as i like doing justice to what i read and when i comment….and to what one pens with such passion…..
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks Sonny, that’s wonderful to hear!
Gay said:
We’re a dedicated bunch…half past two and finally linking in! Saying thanks in advance to anyone who wades through mine (keeping in mind) it’s just a first flirtation with this idea and I’m open to your tearing it apart. It’s certainly not cooked yet. Well enough mixed metaphors for one comment! Night all.
Anna Montgomery said:
Very dedicated indeed, Gay! I am slower than usual as I’m trying to take extra time and care but will be by to read soon.
Gary said:
Great idea – not sure I totally lived up to it but I’m always getting told my poetry has a prose feel – or is it prosaic? http://poetrytech.com/2012/10/04/the-dream-of-my-grandfathers-return/
Anna Montgomery said:
Glad it sparked your creativity; great to see you again.
David King said:
I can’t tell you how much I enjoyed and got from this post. I can but offer my heart-felt thank you for it.
brian miller said:
ha anna did do a great job didnt she dave….good to see you man, be over in a minute…
Anna Montgomery said:
Well, I’ll offer my heartfelt you’re welcome!
dani said:
i found this prompt to be very exciting! i apologize, yet again, it is almost 5am and i must sleep but will return to visit others.
Anna Montgomery said:
That’s fantastic, thanks so much for participating.
Susie Clevenger (@wingsobutterfly) said:
My poetry is often more like prose….love the challenge.
Anna Montgomery said:
Thanks Susie, so glad you decided to join us. I’ll be by to read soon.
Anna Montgomery said:
Umesh, if you read this comment when I followed your link it stated: The page you were looking for has been abducted by aliens. My thought soldiers have been sent on a rescue mission. Which is awesome and funny. However, if there’s a poem you’d like us to read for the prompt the linky has expired so you can post it in the reply to this comment. Thanks.
The Enfant Terrible said:
Hi Anna, I really enjoyed this post. It was an extremely interesting read. I wanted to post something, but have had no time over the past few days to write it up. Nonetheless, it was a thought-provoking prompt.
Anna Montgomery said:
Thank you. Please remember you can always link prompt inspired work that doesn’t get completed before the link expires to Open Link Night.