With Meeting the Bar, we’re always trying to stretch you (and us) a bit and try different things that might help us to hone our skillz and sharpen our poetic swords. I recently stumbled upon the zumpoems site and met Zsa, who offered a prose to poetry challenge to the people and I loved the idea because I recently read Simon Beckett’s thriller “The chemistry of death” and was so impressed that I wrote a poem, using the material of the first two book pages and realized that even the most “unpoetic” books can inspire us in our writing. So I asked Zsa if he would be in to run this challenge at dVerse for Meeting the Bar once. It really is a challenge and I’m looking forward to what you’re coming up with..should be really exciting… but enough from my side..I’m handing over to Zsa..
Relatively new to the blogging world and dVerse, I am a lover of poetry and particularly fond of Emily Dickenson and Wallace Stevens. Two of my favorite relatively unknown writers are Kim Greenwood and S.H. Zumwalt. I maintain a site for Zumwalt Poems. You can call me the Zumpoems site administrator — or Zsa for short.
On the zumpoems site, I have started a Wednesday Poetry Challenge — not every Wednesday, but whenever the mood strikes me. I have consolidated the first two of these poetry challenges into one for you enjoyment:
Poetic Prose into Poetry Challenge
What is the different between poetry and prose?
Some might say poetry has evolved so that the only difference is that poetry has stanzas. However, with the increasing popularity of “prose poetry” (poetry written in prose instead of verse) that really doesn’t hold either.
Is poetry more compact, more formal, more stylized, more imaginative, more emotional, more personal, more abstract, more symbolic?
Does poetry use more imagery?
Does poetry use poetic devices such as rhythm, meter, rhyme, alliteration, emphasis on certain sounds?
That is something that each individual poet has to come to terms with.
Every poet and every reader has their preferences. Hopefully these preferences are not static and change as the poet develops, as the reader develops, and, ideally, as the poet and reader, being the same person, develop.
- For this challenge, pick a passage from a novel, essay or short story that qualifies as prose, but for you is particularly poetic.
- Then, as a first step, without changing a word or punctuation mark, reformat that so it appears to be poetry.
For example,
From the opening of Theodor Dreiser’s American Tragedy:
Dusk —
of a summer night.
And the tall walls of the commercial heart
of an American city of perhaps 400,000 inhabitants —
such walls as in time may linger as a mere fable.
And up the broad street,
now comparatively hushed,
a little band of six, —
a man of about fifty, short, stout,
with bushy hair protruding
from under a round black felt hat,
a most unimportant-looking person,
who carried a small portable organ
such as is customarily used
by street preachers and singers.
And with him a woman
perhaps five years his junior,
taller, not so broad,
but solid of frame and vigorous,
very plain in face and dress,
and yet not homely,
leading with one hand a small boy of seven
and in the other carrying a Bible and several hymn books.
With these three,
but walking independently
behind,
was a girl of fifteen,
a boy of twelve
and another girl of nine,
all following obediently,
but not too enthusiastically,
in the wake of the others.
It was hot,
yet
with a sweet languor
about it all.
Crossing at right angles
the great thoroughfare
on which they walked,
was a second canyon-like way,
threaded by throngs and vehicles
and various lines of cars
which clanged their bells
and made such progress
as they might amid swiftly moving streams of traffic.
Yet
the little group seemed unconscious
of anything
save
a set purpose
to make its way
between the contending
lines of traffic
and pedestrians
which flowed
by them.
- The second step is where the fun comes in!
- Take your reformatted piece of prose and convert it into whatever meets your definition of poetry!
For example,
If you found the following prose selection initially:
Time has come for us to leave this island: a way to do such must be discovered.
and reformatted it to
Time has come
for us to leave this island:
a way to do such
must be discovered.
then your next step is to convert from poetic prose to pure poem.
What is a poem? What is poetry? This is based on your own definition and sense of aesthetics.
You may chose to convert the text into poetry by imposing regular meter on the text:
We seek a ship to sail us from this place
And steer us on a course that takes us home
or maybe both meter and rhyme:
We seek a ship to sail us from this shore
to take us to the home we knew before
or maybe you are more inclined to an expressive open style:
Time
Time
Time
Ticking
Like the restless heart
Informing us
We must move on —
Leave this island.
Now.
Taking the example from the opening of Theodor Dreiser’s American Tragedy:
Dusk–of a summer night.
And the tall walls of the commercial heart of an American city of perhaps 400,000 inhabitants–such walls as in time may linger as a mere fable.
And up the broad street, now comparatively hushed, a little band of six,–a man of about fifty, short, stout, with bushy hair protruding from under a round black felt hat, a most unimportant-looking person, who carried a small portable organ such as is customarily used by street preachers and singers. And with him a woman perhaps five years his junior, taller, not so broad, but solid of frame and vigorous, very plain in face and dress, and yet not homely, leading with one hand a small boy of seven and in the other carrying a Bible and several hymn books.
might become
Beneath the dusk some summer night
the stretched up walls of citizens:
such walls in time as lingering tales.
And up a nearby spacious street,
hushed compared to others near,
now walks a little band of six, —
a male past fifty, short and stout,
with hair extending shyly out
from black felt hat tilting east,
an average man, a normal man
with music from an accordion.
And at his right side walks a woman
perhaps five years still his junior,
taller, well-figured, not so broad,
but solid of frame and vigorous,
very plain in face and dress,
and yet attractive in modest ways,
leading with her hand a boy of seven
her other led by hymns and Gospel.
- So simply select a piece of poetic prose,
- reformat it to look like a poem,
- and then as the next step, rework it to meet your standards for poetry. You can stop when you consider it to be a poem (as above examples), or keep working it until you consider it a good or even excellent poem.
There are many resources for selecting prose works. A good starting point is Project Gutenberg Australia.
Best to use something in the public domain (no longer under copyright.)
Have fun!
ha, fun challenge today…and was nice to drop by and meet you the other day Zsa at the Zumwalt site…went a little Stephen King with mine. Look forward to see what everyone has.
Linked Claudia as well since she is traveling home right this second and will join us in a bit.
Oh, what a wonderful challenge! I do hope I get time to do this one. I have in the past turned some of my own prose into poems, and also based a poem on a short story by someone else – but this takes things to a whole new level. 🙂
Had a lot of fun with this! I chose a favourite quote from a favourite book that has always resonated in poetic terms for me. THank you for the inspiration!
hey there… just landed… horribly delayed.. and sneaking in to say hello.. thanks so much zsa for providing the challenge for us.. and it really is a challenge.. i had not really time to look for a text and just took the american tragedy part from zsa’s example… think those of you who want could do this as well.. think even if 100 people would take the same text, we had 100 very different poems in the end… will go offline now to spend the evening with the fam. but back tomorrow morning to read and comment..
Instead of one chunk of prose, I chose a few quotes by Leonard da Vinci.
I just saw Zumwalt’s site for the first time this week also.
And they’re great! Don’t miss this one!!
I so love this idea and hope I can find the time! Thank you.
Awesome exercise in writing. Hope to have time tomorrow to try it out. Thanks!
Thanks Z. I wanted to share so many! I did as suggested, simply re-arranged the prose in lines. Honestly almost any paragraph of any book by Willa Cather to me is sustained poetry. She writes on the most elevated, poetic level of any novelist for me and second to her, the wonderful D.H. Lawrence although there are no “great” books sans poetry. I think most of The Old Man and the Sea is poetry, and huge sections of The Great Gatsby. The lights and colors in these books are exquisite!
I’d already written a poem for today – a pantoum called “Freedom in Christ” – but I liked this prompt so I wrote another. This poetry thing is addicting! Peace, Linda
The book I wanted to use is under copyright so I turned to the site you suggested and came up with this. Thanks for the intriguing challenge.
This was really fun, throwing me out of myself for a change. I picked the first sensible thing I found on the Gutenberg site, The Indian Cookery Book, and then took the first thing there, about cooking rice, and made it a poem.
Weird.
But fun.
it was much fun to read…
Tough one today, a real challenge, but a very enjoyable one. I looked at some of the other posts first, just to get some idea if what I was doing was somewhere near right
I do like this. Made the mistake of picking something that was too much like a poem. Now what do I do?
What a great idea! Really enjoyed this challenge. Mine is inspired from the book “The Game of Thrones,” and currently reading the series.
I think it’s a wonderful idea, but had a very exhausting somewhat prosaic day, and went for something kind of obvious! Not so poetic. Oh well. I did enjoy and enjoyed thinking of other texts I MIGHT have chosen! K.
Claudia, thanks for hosting tonight and presenting an interesting and pretty fun challenge tonight.
So happy to learn more about zumpoems site. Thanks for the challenge!
Hey all,
I did not mean to leave two links. I’m trying a different browser and it’s a bit of trouble. The first one is the correct one. I’ll try to behave from on now.
Henry
smiles…deleted the second one…and you really don’t have to behave here…smiles
thank you, but I always behave 🙂
Thanks for the laugh 🙂
Bylo mi potěšením, docela Anna 🙂
First, I like the premise. Second, the process was grueling. (Poor little haiku rabbit). I’m not certain at all about the result, because I’m so brain dead from reading, editing, rewriting, etc. I couldn’t tell you if anything is good. So … I’m going to bed and reading things tomorrow.
Short version, thanks Zsa and dVerse for evil but necessary challenge. I needed that.
just coming online…and so cool to see how many already took the challenge…woohoo…i knew you would do great…now really looking forward to read your entries…and thanks to zsa again for such a cool prompt..
Whee! I’ve done it! Loved this exercise.
Claudia, thank you for discovering Zsa and arranging for this great challenge here at the pub. Zsa, what a wonderful exercise (and thank you also for the marvelous Gutenberg link)!
I look forward to reading, learning from, and commenting on many posts by others and will be doing so throughout the weekend.
great stuff people…i am about to head out toward Richmond…i am performing at Art 6 downtown at 7 pm, so if you are in the area, would love to meet you.
My contribution:
First,
connect red jack ONE
into red receptacle A.
Then repeat with black jack TWO
and black receptacle B.
Your speakers should now
function properly.
~
fuck one,
then let the next one screw you.
nothin’ left after that but to
howl the blues.
~
(but I could write it in sonnet form and some fool would come along and chirp, “Lovely prose!”
Play on, play loud. How clever to blues up instructions on life and speakers.
Heavens – that’s awesome!
[deleted: Lovely poem!]
Hell yeah!
ha. nice shay…you need to stop playing cards with Jacks and might cure those blues…if i had an award i would give it to you…smiles.
Yeesh, this was a hard one, but also fun–at least compared to dental drilling. I’ll be away from the computer for awhile, but back later to comment.
I love a challenge, and this was a challenge to complete before Mister Linky denied me entry… but whew, I made it and with time to spare
I’ll be by later to read some more (Fridays are crazy busy for me). Great prompt!
An amazing challenge, glad I saw it before Mr. Linky passed away, cuz I got to write about one of my favourite sad death scenes, which had me wide-eyed as a child. It’s so interesting to see what authors and passages people are choosing…we are more 19th century at heart than I’d have guessed.
just got in from richmond…great time and going to try and hit the ones i have yet to read before bed…
see you back here tomorrow for poetics!
Just wanted to thank everyone for doing the challenge. I read each and every response and all the comments above and loved this so much. Was a real learning experience to carefully examine each approach. Really loved how some people thought out of the box, but also loved the results of those that took the more travelled path but still ending up creating their own special music!
does poetry have to have specific amount of stanzas? I never know it I am doing it right or if it is a poem or pros. does there have to have a pattern? idk? lol.
maybe I should take a class.