I am always challenge on how to end my poems on a strong note. Do I repeat and loop back to my first line, or do I go altogether into a new direction? When do I cut the words, in just the right time, without losing the impact of my message with the reader?
Recently, I learned the value of punctuation, whether in the middle or end of the verse. “When it comes to poetry, punctuation works differently than most other forms of writing. A poet uses punctuation not so much for grammatical correctness but rather for effect. In a poem, the use of a comma or a period or even using neither can change the meaning completely.
When dealing with punctuation in a poem, the poet has to ask themselves what purpose the punctuation is serving. Does the poet want a full stop or do they want a short pause? A short pause or full stop at a critical moment can cause the poem to turn in a different direction than it would have without it.
Looking at our choices of punctuation, periods, question marks, and exclamation marks are placed under the category of full stops. Commas, semi colons, ellipses and dashes are placed under the category of short pauses. By making careful choices when it comes to the end of each line, we can find ways of creating a strong impact in our reader.”
What about you, how do you use punctuation in your poems? Do you read aloud your poems to hear its rhythm, cadence and pause ?
Every week at D’verse is a wonderful insight on how writers punctuate and end their lines. Some with a twist, some with a question, some with no answers, and some with an enticing invitation to come back for more.
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Article: Poetic Devices, Punctuate the End
Happy OLN! 🙂 It promises to be a wonderful evening.
Good to see you Beth 🙂 Happy OLN ~
very good thoughts grace, i use commas, dashes, () , // … very intuitive and often decide in miliseconds if and how i place them. and i really think it adds another dimension to the words as well…something more to play with…smiles
and i do something really funny with my poems once they’re written…(pssshhh…i haven’t told anyone so far…)
i have a macbook, and pages (the mac equivalent to word) has a “read this to me” function. you mark the poem and a computer voice will read it to you (totally unemotional) for me this is very valuable as 1. it strips the poem off all emotions which helps me looking at it more “neutral”–ha, 2. i hear how a native speaker pronounces the words correctly and 3. it gives me an idea how someone else would put stresses and beats, 4. it’s just funny having someone read your poem to you… ha… smiles.. happy OLN everyone!!
That’s so cool!
Wow! That is a great tool!
I find yours very creative in line & word breaks Claudia ~ Thanks for the tips ~
I did not know that, Claudia! Is it on Mac Book Air?
usually yes. the program is called “pages” there you write the text, mark it, then right mouse click and it should say something like voice output (don’t know the exact english expression as mine’s in german..) when you click on it, it starts reading– male voice with american accent
Don’t have that on my MacBook. Is it a program that came with it, or one that you added?
Generally, I don’t use much punctuation, but when I do, it is for effect. And yes, always read my poems aloud before I hit publish… endings really are the hard part, aren’t they?
Happy Open Link Night everyone!
I know Kelly ~ Happy OLN to you as well ~
50/50 on punctuation….if I really want the reader to feel and relate to the piece, I normally skip it, allowing them to add or take away where they see fit. If I am desperate to control the intent of the words…then punctuation helps me do that. I kind of like to see where the reader takes it though…Happy OpenLinkNight all…PERIOD! 😀
Happy OLN to you as well ~
nice….like your opening grace…and i def use if for effect when i use it….good thing as grammar is not a high point in my repotoire….ha…that is a pretty cool trick of claudias as well…i def try to get creative with my punctuation as well….
happy OLN everyone…see you out on the trail…
I am learning from you Brian ~ See you out on the trail ~
I suffer far too much about commas…but tonite…I drink to you as barkeep. Cheers!
Cheers to you as well ~
Happy OLN everyone ~ Hope you have a lovely time reading and visiting links ~
See you ~
I always use punctuation, and often worry I over do it. Thanks for hosting, Grace. Happy Open Link to all!
Pamela
Me too Pamela ~ Happy OLN to you ~
Hi Grace, and happy OLN to all. I use commas now and then, mostly to eradicate confusion, but rarely anything else. If I were to allow myself ellipses… well I just wouldn’t be able to stop. I don’t think…
Ha..ha..Nice to see you here ~
Oh I agree totally about punctuation, questionmarks and exclamationmarks… but all my efforts to use semicolon has been bad. 🙂 It will be interesting tonight.
Yes, it is ~ Lovely to see you on a regular basis now 🙂
I’ve learned to set my clock 🙂
Finally a Tuesday off from work, it’s been a few weeks! Glad I could come and join you tonight. Still shoveling snow here in Western MA, a good night to spend with a hot drink by a warm fire. Looking forward to catching up with all of you!!
Its snowing here too ~ Good to see you here Ginny ~
My thoughts on punctuation–I stand with probably a bit “old-fashioned!” Punctuation should be used to indicate pauses and enhance the poem and it should be used as properly as possible. It should be used to end one line, one thought, before starting another. I am never sure if I use certain punctuation correctly like the semi-colon, dashes and the “…” (ellipses). I read many using both caps and lower case in the same word or several words in the same line in their writing, suCH as tHIS, and am wondering what that style is called? I personally undecided whether it enhances or detracts, but it is definitely different, and each of us surely has our own style and that happens to be one of them!!
i use it for three reasons….
one to accentuate rhythm…particularly if it is a spoken piece….and i want to get teh same effect in reading…
the second is to give mood or make the crazy come out a bit…a bit of mania
the third is, i hide poems in my poems at times…and if by chance you just read the CAPS its says something…ha…been a while since i did that though…have done a word within a word with a word recently though…like sHEAreD…HEAD is inside it…
I rarely use anything more complicated than a comma. Decisions beyond that might precipitate a coma. Thanks for hosting tonight. – Mosk
Ha…ha…Thanks for the chuckles 🙂
smiles…i feel you brother…lol….
Good posting 🙂 I use punctuation all the time, if I need to make sure the lines are read the way I would like them to be understood. I use all tools to do so, also the semi colom ; I know some people don’t like the thingy, but I do 🙂 Good OpenLinkNight!
Thanks for sharing ~ Happy OLN to you ~
Reminds me of a story of a poet who excused himself from a writing conference to edit a poem. He was gone all day. A fellow poem asked him how it went. He said, “Well, I added a comma but then I removed it.” And that was it! I do use punctuation and like to read aloud for the sake of pacing and sound. Just finished editing my 2nd novel yesterday by reading the entire thing aloud. It took over a month!
Good story! I suffer over those choices too–but only in poetry, not in these comments.
I agonize over those too Victoria ~ Good work on your second novel, congrats 🙂
Hey Grace,
Good question. I write very pared down pieces and rarely use punctuation, but visual spacing is HUGE for me. Interestingly enough, today’s poem needed two commas.
I always read a finished piece aloud. As an editor I urge clients to read their piece aloud and backwards before submitting something for publication. The human brain will fill in that word even if it’s not there if you’re expecting it to be there. If you read it backwards, you’ll notice.
Really enjoyed the early bird work I’ve read already today. *Goes off to dive in and read some more….*
Karen :0)
Clearly I didn’t edit the above before posting. The second “Poem” should read “poet!”
Nice article. I have a tendency to cling to rules of grammar and punctuation even when writing poetry. Perhaps it is because I mostly have written essays and am a bit of a grammar curmudgeon, only recently delving into poetry. That may also be why I like form poetry, because there are rules to be followed. Today I used the cinquain form for my poem that I shared, but did it times 5 stanzas, with lots of repetition. Peace, Linda
They are useful for form poetry, I agree ~ Looking forward to reading your cinquain ~ Tony, please take note 🙂
Duly noted – will drop by in the morning (UK time)
I usually try no punctuation, but then, if I feel I need it somewhere I go back to redo the whole poem. I feel it either needs to be all punctuated or all naked–except for the ubiquitous dash I love so much. Reading aloud is a must, but I wish I could get another voice to read it for me like Claudia does.
Great lead-in, Grace, for an extra fun night in the Pub. The poem I post will be new to you but not to Claudia and Brian. The page also holds a surprise announcement (grin), so check it out y’all!
Will check it out Susan 🙂 Nice to see you here ~
Happy OLN, guys …. I’m up for a taste test …. not for the faint hearted …. 😉
I use punctuation most of the time, but I find, for me at least, that it depends on the line breaks and the emphasis I want to put on the words or meaning. I am also working on a novel and scrutinize the use of punctuation often so sometimes it’s nice to let that go. I will put a dash where a compound word is in order to place emphasis the original word. But I often use instinct or intuition to make my choices. e.e. cummings, for example… amazing. And not easily duplicated, at least, not by me.
I do read my poems to myself but not always aloud. It helps me catch the little things I miss.
It’s good to see you tending bar tonight Grace! Happy OLN to you and to all my fellow poets.
Thanks for sharing Apryl ~ Nice to see you here 🙂
I punctuate with semicolons, commas and full stops – and dashes. That is, when I use them at all. Since I write a lot of spoken word pieces, the line break is usually my only punctuation as I decide where to pause in the middle of a sentence. For written work, then I follow my heart.
Punctuation is really important to me tho. I have thrown away books for bad punctuation and I have also had a poem nag me for 2 years until I changed a comma into a semicolon…. so… yeah. My friends call me a member of the grammar nazi LOL.
Good to see you here 🙂
Always good to be here, hun 🙂
I linked above to this week’s Limerick-Off contest. But here’s a punctuation limerick I just dashed off:
How to punctuate: That is the query.
And the choices can make me quite weary.
Exclamation point, comma–
No question, add drama.
But of overuse, kindly be leery.
Overusing them is not good too ~
You are the Queen of Limerick 🙂
Thanks very much!
def be careful of overuse…particularly the exclamation point…as it loses effectiveness quickly….
I find endings difficult. Today, I wrote about the beginning.
Sometimes, it is difficult for me too ~
Nice to see you here ~ Will check your poem in a bit ~
not been writing much. not been writing good I fear.
and yet , I am here , like all weeks.
Happy reading every one 🙂
Nice to see you here 🙂 Happy OLN ~
My punctuation go with my thoughts. The moment I pause to think , I use a comma . The moment I think this verse is done , I use a full stop. Next thought will be new paragraph. question marks rarely appear in middle of a verse for me. It is usually the beginning line or the end.
Great joining you all tonight!
Nice to see you here 🙂
Great article, Grace. Punctuation really can change the meaning of a poem. Thanks for sharing, too.
Thank you Laurie 🙂
I am heading home now, through the snowy streets of Toronto ~ Will read and comment back in a bit ~ Let’s keep the words flowing 🙂
Linking for the very first time! Looking forward to reading your stuff and making some new friends!
warm welcome brandee…on my way over to say hello…
woot…great to see another friend in the pub…big smiles…heading over to see what you brought…
still waiting to meet you at the rhino…smiles.
Nice to meet you Brandee 🙂 Welcome to D’verse ~
Good point, Grace.
I have left a few unsolved punctuation problems in my poems of late.
Without the solution the lines can be ambiguous. I wonder if we could borrow from music notation and have quavers and semi-quavers and what nots.
smiles..when i had singing lessons my teacher always penciled me marks into the notes where i was allowed to breathe…smiles
That would be a good idea Aprille ~ Smiles ~
The main reason for punctuating my poetry – quite apart of having been strictly educated in the English language – is to make clear how the poem is to be read aloud. A comma in the wrong place can cause a stumble or – worse – misunderstanding!
I agree Viv ~ Nice to see you here ~
Cheers viv (above) for stating my thoughts – I like architecture and punctuation as a means of how to read. Do suffer from commeritis at times, maybe, I’m not sure, I don’t know… :o]
Anna :o]
hahaha i like…smiles.
hehe…commeritis….i like…
Hi Grace,
I endevour always to improve my punctuation as it isn’t my strongest skill. I do find some poems that lack much punctuation can make reading harder work but sometimes worked like a fine wine once sipped, reflected on and savoured.
Tootles off to the poems… 🙂
Like that image of fine wine ~ Hope you having a good night 🙂
Happy OLN all!
I am so horrid at punctuation in my poems. Other than commas to indicate pauses, the only other thing I use in my writes is the rare question mark or exclamation point. I’ve never really given much thought about it honestly. It’s just my style – or lack thereof?
ah i prefer to think of it as style for sure…smiles….
In the beginning I wasn’t aware of it, but now that I have seen and read poems with excellent pauses and punctuation, I am trying it out ~ Nice to see you Raivenne ~
alright…caught up…gotta run some errands and then dinner…be back in a bit….
Hello Grace and all – so far no one has mentioned the use of dots….I use them too much I’m afraid (per Sabio for he wondered why I needed all of them); today’s conversation demonstrates their use as rarely or sparingly. Brian uses them quite a bit, Claudia, Grace Apryl, Tashtoo, and Passion Poet use them only a time or two..is there a right or wrong or taboo here? Thanks …have a good evening, night, morning 😉
I don’t use dots but rather use space or format for effect ~ It’s like a pause, correct? Nice to see you at OLN Katy ~
Ellipses or dots indicate an interruption in a train of thought or speech; they’re kind of like a punctuation equivalent of err and um!
I didn’t mess with the punctuation. I did toy with termination, though, with a sound experiment of my own.
Missy here with a silly poem at prop&ganda / personally, I love to put my ♥ into it
I somehow missed Mad Libs, so with a little help from Victoria who gave me some wonderful words to work with, I had a go at it this week instead.
So from now on, I shall always be at least one week behind the rest of you 😉
No worries, OLN is when we can catch up with everyone 🙂 Nice to see you Tino ~
woot…was excited to see the Mad Libs poems living on…smiles.
Hi Grace and fellow clients at the bar. I hope you’re all having a fun Open Link Night. I’m a bit late – and won’t be reading until tomorrow (my time) – because I’ve just come in from a meal with a group of men form our church.
It’s interesting that you raised punctuation and its use, or not, in poetry. Punctuation is a frequent cause of discussion at the Poetry in Practice class that I’m taking at Edinburgh University; we nitpick over commas, ellipses, dashes, semi-colons and colons. Correct punctuation is there to avoid misunderstanding, so I usually fully punctuate my poems.
The punctuation mark people seem most unsure of is the semi-colon, which should be used between two statements that could be separate sentences, but which the author/poet wants to join together more closely than is possible with a full-stop/period. I learned this from a proofreaders course that I took; before that I was as much in the dark as most people … smiles.
Dashes are a bit of a bête noir for me. Very often writers use hyphens when they should use en-dashes. In some fonts there is no apparent difference; in others they are clearly different sizes. Dashes in my poems which are there as pauses are en-dashes (unless I forgot to check … smiles).
We poets have two punctuation marks that other writers don’t. The line-ending can be used to create a small pause, while the stanze break indicates a longer pause. Enjambement and run-on lines play with these pauses, which often leads to interesting poetic effects in our writing.
For today’s submission from me all of that is irrelevant; there is no punctuation at all 😀
Ha..ha…Tony is in the pub ~ Thanks for the additional notes ~ Perhaps we can have one session on this 🙂
Maybe not so much on punctuation, but I am thinking about something on the effect of line lengths on the way we read and engage with poems – not that I am in any way an expert on this, you understand.
tony it is a myth that size matters
its how much internal rhyme you can get going…
just saying…smiles
The line break does seem rather unique in most poetry — some folks go crazy with them. Prose has the paragraph which can be sort of a stanza. But the stanza is an odd atavist in much of modern poetry- I think it was originally the mark of set meter. But with much of free verse where meter disappears (in any significant way), the stanza sometime only seems to remain as a way to say “This is a Poem”.
Thanks Grace– this topic is so on point. I tend to use a double hypen A LOT, but I love when I see some creative use of puntuation out there.
Me too, I always say, hey I should try this one ~ Love your photo and words 🙂
Hey Grace!
Interesting post. Having never been taught or trained in poetry (maybe like many others here), I’ve wondered to myself about punctuation. To me, much of modern poetry seems like strained efforts to seem like poetry after giving up rhyme and meter. Strains which employ centering, Caps scattered, spacing all over the page, long-skinny poems and various extra characters (!@#*&%…). They all seem a sad admission of something missing, rather than a creative, contributive addition.
But I am sure that impression will change over time. It is all a matter of taste — and I know taste can change. For instance, I have become a little more comfortable with seeing how line breaks can help — which I experiment a bit more with in today’s sharing.
In the beginning, I capitalized each line and punctuated like prose. Now I experiment a bit more. But I always try to use punctuation to simply guide the reader to read the poem as I imagined reading it. I don’t use it to as decoration or to say, “Look, this is a poem!”
In today’s poem I was a minimalist approach to punctuation — and used line breaks to help the read – otherwise, the ‘poem’ is merely two sentences (one incomplete).
And thinking about your post today, I went back and modified my Poem called ‘Unethical’ Abuse — touching up the punctuation. Thanx for getting me to do that and think about punctuation. To me, line breaks, and Capital letters are a big part of punctuation in English too.
I look forward to your critical thoughts on either or any poem. Thank you.
Sabio, thanks for sharing your thoughts, much appreciated ~ I am very new too with punctuation and have just started experimenting with word & line-breaks ~ Will check out your link ~
Can I just say that what I’ve read thus far tonight has been absolutely amazing???
You are all on fire tonight!
Like you, Gretchen ~ A lot of amazing poems tonight ~
I do use punctuation to slow the reader or pause a thought, etc. I never read my poems out loud though I know many people do read theirs (and others) aloud. Do you think that it is really helpful? I love that gizmo that Claudia uses to read her writing back to her…very cool. If I had that, I would use it! Thank you for hostessing, Grace.
Gayle ~
Hi Gayle, nice to see you ~ When I am not sure of my lines, I find myself reading it out loud, even in my head, to see/hear if it fits or falls in place ~ But this is just me, so I don’t know if this process works for others ~
Also, I will be calling it a night everyone ~ I will be back tomorrow to comment and respond to your poems ~
great job tonight grace….
for me one of the biggest leaps in writing poetry came in paying attention to how the words sound when they interact together….so for me, reading poetry aloud is a very big tool…often as i write i may speak just a line of the poem to hear how it feels…or how the preceding line plays with it…sometimes i line break for a pause and to know where the natural pauses are i have to read it aloud..
Thanks for your input here, Brian. I do read my writing in my head to see how the words sound together, etc. Perhaps I should give it a try…many writers seem to use this tactic…I’m not sure what keeps me from being “vocal”…
Hello Grace, and hello everyone! I’ve been visiting a few sites, and so far the poetry has been amazing. I’m not always able to offer something new (this time I’m able to!) but I always look forward to the poetry of Open Link Night. Unconstrained by verse form, or theme, or prompt, the poems of OLN have a vibrancy of life that make them stand out. Happy OLN!
Happy OLN to you as well Sam ~ I will be checking out your new poem ~
good morning…back in the pub with a cup of coffee and catching up…
Very true abt punctuations…bt I wonder if reading it aloud helps always…perhaps to change words and expressions bt the thought remains…isn’t it? Ll miss the open link night…travelling to attend a wedding in the family…
nice..have fun at the wedding… rgd. the reading poems out aloud, it helps me a lot, adds another dimension as well..
I am all for punctuation. Sorry to be so late. A busy night. k.
PS – thanks, Grace. k
pea//ce k. .. smiles
Your work is a study of punctuation K ~ Good to see you ~
ok poets. caught up a bit//commented back; enjoyed your poetry— off to work now. back in the even–ing — smiles (i’d like to think that things are even in the evening..ha…smiles) see, mostly i’m in a weird mood in the morning, that’s why my fam refuses to talk to me before i had breakfast.. and coffee…smiles
Taken time off from Office so – looking forward to reading you all! Have a great week!
kenny! always good to see you man…
Thanks for dropping by 🙂
good morning everyone…caught up on the overnights and will swing back through at lunch…have a great day!
Punctuation??? I don’t understand…
Kind of like punctual; which I am forgetting how to be!
We are still open ~ Good to see you Charles ~
ha. enjoyed your poem though sir…kids are pretty awesome…and in having them…and watching them grow they have taught me much…and reminded me as well of things i once knew….
Hi Grace, bit of dark poem for you today. Thanks for the post!
Hope your day gets better and brighter ~ Nice to see you here ~
really succinct piece today….but evocative…
Happy OLN Grace and everyone @dVerse. I think punctuation can be a powerful part of poetry. I’ll be over to MrLinky soon with a poem.
Hi Linda, good to see you ~ Will be checking in later for your poem 🙂
Been away from the dVerse pub for a while (and I think my poem explains why, lol). Good to be back!
glad you found some words…smiles.