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Hi poets from all across the globe!
I’m back from a winter hiatus up in the far north, with snowstorms and being weather locked in remote cabins. Spending your time without electricity or coverage let you focus on the essentials of being human, like food, warmth and company. Now I’m back with a little bar-talk, where we are trying to give you poetry from different parts of the world.
Just before I left for the mountains, one of our great Swedish poets died, and if you are living in a country that seemed devoid of poems in everyday life it was amazing to hear his poems being read on the radio many times per day. I am of course talking about Tomas Tranströmer, our latest Nobel laureate. It can often seem like giving the Nobel prize to a Swede is a little weird, but this time it seemed like the respect of him as a poet made very few mentioned nepotism. Tomas Tranströmer was a loved poet.
He was born in 1931 and combined poetry writing with being a practicing psychiatrist and translator. His poetry often combine the mystery of life with with everyday contemporary metaphors. You can read more about him here. What I find myself is that his poems often translates very well into many other languages (over 60 languages), and is considered one of the most influential poets from Scandinavia in modern times. There has to be a reason why his poems translates so well, and to me it is obvious that his use of metaphors and images that are both simple and stunning at the same time, makes the meaning apparent across language barriers. Many of his poems have been translated to English by Robert Bly.
Consider for instance:
After a Death
Once there was a shock
that left behind a long, shimmering comet tail.
It keeps us inside. It makes the TV pictures snowy.
It settles in cold drops on the telephone wires.
One can still go slowly on skis in the winter sun
through brush where a few leaves hang on.
They resemble pages torn from old telephone directories.
Names swallowed by the cold.
It is still beautiful to hear the heartbeat
but often the shadow seems more real than the body.
The samurai looks insignificant
beside his armor of black dragon scales.
The lines about the pages torn from old telephone directions for instance are so vivid in connection to the sorrow one feels after the death of a close friend.
After a stroke that left him partly paralyzed in 1990 Tomas Tranströmer wrote mostly shorter poems, and have made contributions to haiku poetry by incorporating his unique imagery and have injected inspiration all the way back to Japan.
Oak trees and the moon.
Light and mute constellations.
And the frigid sea.
So today’s subject for the bar: How do you come up with those stunning images. similes and metaphors? How do you create them? and how do you refrain from using them as tropes? How do you avoid metaphors that seem constructed or artificial?
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Welcome everyone.. I hope you are ready to discuss metaphors today 🙂
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Let me start to tell you what I often do. I start with a word and thinks around it.. what could it represent, what aspects can I see?.. how can I combine a noun with a verb, how can two noun interact to create something new. Sometimes it works, and sometimes I just have to try with a new word.
Anthony Desmond said:
1st of all, thank you for opening my eyes to this amazing poet.
That one poem alone is hugely inspiring; I will definitely
sink my teeth into his work. I create images using metaphors
by challenging myself to make sense from randomness
and complexity. One of my most recent would be a great
example: “She’s like a work of art from Nancy Lorenz
her pussy is a gold pour box”
it’s a play on how rapper’s refer to a woman’s vagina as
a “box” also, “gold pour box” is a piece of art from Nancy Lorenz.
What I’m trying to say with the aforementioned similes
is that women should be valued and appreciated
as they bring life into this world and keep it going.
But there are many who don’t respect that and only see women as sex objects,
so I went for a more vulgar route to reflect that as well.
And I feel it’s quite easy not to be artificial, by being realistic;
if it doesn’t make sense, go back to the drawing board. We tend
to lean towards things just because they sound catchy, which I have done.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Oh yes I remember that one Anthony.. to create metaphors requires a lot of work, and it’s a delicate balance.
Grace said:
His work is very unique and inspiring Bjorn ~ When I think of metaphors, I play with words too, sometimes closely linked to the original word, or as a contrast ~
I admit to using the same metaphor of nature but I find that nature words – like sky, clouds, wind, river, sea, land are very generic in appeal and can capture the emotions that I like ~
But this is something that I have to improve on, & to make it more unique each time I write to a theme ~
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Nature is actually very hard to use as metaphor. Maybe an exercise to use something completely different would help… sometimes.
Anthony Desmond said:
I totally agree, Grace… I think nature is a great turn for metaphors. You always nail it
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
I agree that Grace is a master of metaphors.
MarinaSofia said:
I agree, nature is appealing but hard to use in metaphors as it’s been used so many times before, it’s hard to think of something fresh, that doesn’t sound cliche!
MarinaSofia said:
Really fond of this poet – thank you so much for this tribute to him! I actually did an exercise of translating him from a literal crib – A Page of the Night Book – on a poetry course. I remember he says at some point that grass and flowers were gray but the smell green. That really stuck with me. He has a wonderful ability to make you see the world afresh. I love those tree branches heavy with snow, like pages torn from old telephone directories.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
A green smell in a gray word really works for me.. So interesting that you have translated him.. I hope it worked well.
shanyns said:
Thank for sharing his poetry, a true loss of a poetic voice for those of us still earth bound.
Metaphors – they can be a challenge for me. I try to let the images and words find their connections in my mind before I commit them to something more visible, more tangible. Does that make sense? I also try to find cultural links, and connections my son makes.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
I think it does… and children can make the most amazing connections…
Glenn Buttkus said:
I tend to rely heavily on similes, & the metaphors just kind of slip in the side door of things. As I write, mostly from a prose base, the line breaks, internal rhythms & rhyme schemes grow out of the creation of the shape of the piece. Lines, even stanzas rewrite themselves as the poem sprawls creatively all over the page; always very exhilarating to me; something learned from Brian over the years.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Ah.. yes the rhyme and rhythm actually create those metaphors to some extent.. sometime almost by random… 🙂
Gabriella said:
I think effective metaphors are those which can be grasped immediately by the reader.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
So true.. yes I which is probably why Tranströmer is actually very popular (at least in Sweden).. his metaphor are very easy to understand.
Mary said:
An interesting subject today, Bjorn. I really had never heard of Mr. Tranströmer before you mentioned him after his death; but I do like the poem you shared today. As far as using similes and metaphors, admittedly I use them if they occur to me and don’t use them if they don’t, for the most part. Occasionally if I have a lot of time to play with words I will try to work more with figurative language.
If I cannot write an ‘understandable’ metaphor, I would rather not use it. And if I have to struggle too hard to comprehend metaphoric writing, it becomes work rather than enjoyment. There definitely is an art to writing metaphor….it is something that really needs to be developed, I think. And it is not easy!
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
I think it’s very hard to make it non-cryptic.. but when you succeed, I know that I feel myself inhaling deeply in comprehension…. But sometimes I find metaphors also when they might not have been intended… 🙂
Mary said:
I agree it is hard to make it non-cryptic. But yes, when you find a metaphor that works well, one really feels successful. I think we all have to be open to stretching ourselves a little bit.
Yes, finding metaphors that might not have been intended is interesting. Sometimes I think a person might write on one level, not even realizing that he/she is writing metaphorically on another level. Sometimes I think we can even discover metaphors in our own writing that we did not realize were there.
billgncs said:
I think that metaphor allows us to create in our words enduring pictures. Thus we can avoid being cliche and rote. That’s always the challenge, what is it in your own words.
Your sample poems of his were brilliant – especially the haiku. To write powerful haiku is harder than one believes.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
I agree.. and they are also more difficult to translate.. I like is original in Swedish better actually.. on the longer free-verse you have more freedom to adopt the images…
L Weaves Words said:
Welcome back and thank you for introducing this poet. I’ll try look him up tomorrow 🙂
and I’m sorry I can’t contribute to the discussion…
Soulsong of Sharonlee said:
Greeting all…
Bjorn your winter break contains at least 5 things on my 100 list… snow,cabin,solitude, fireplace(I’m assuming), time to think…. I yearn at thought.
I find a great deal of my poetic lines and metaphors come to me while walking and while in shower. 🙂
Anthony Desmond said:
ha… yes a few have come to me while in the shower… frustrating thing is having to get out and write it down before I forget it…
Soulsong of Sharonlee said:
It might sound mad, but I keep a notebook and pencil close to the shower… pens are no good in the steam 😀
katiemiafrederick said:
A great story of a psychiatrist becoming a poet.. we do need more poets.. overall.. in the field of medicine.
For me.. i do my best NOT TO THINK.. when i write poetry.. just letting what comes flow from the finger tips of beyond..;)
smiles.. and smilies to ya..;)2…;)but winks of course….<3
Anthony Desmond said:
ah, I have to inspired to write without thinking… more in the habit of just writing and not waiting for it nowadays.
katiemiafrederick said:
Amusing Bricks…
True for me too..
and i develop an art of muse..
as intensive as any writing i do..
JUST for that…
Where muse becomes science and science becomes art…;)
But i study from ‘the masters’.. WITH A TOTALLY OPEN MIND
and body in balance..
and NEVER PAY-mind to the naysayers in life..
As the art of creativity is the ALL the reward in itself for me…
Truly that’s freeing.. with no limitations and most importantly
no expectations…
A total 180 degrees turn from the perfectionist who has a fit
when his wife moves ‘his bricks out of line’ a few years back..
And I do mean literally.. as i put those BRICKS IN LINE…
Now ‘my bricks’ spiral like a Nautilus shell wherever
they care to flow.. and at times.. when revisited
by an approximation of that mechanical
sidewalk mind..
amaze THAT robot mind to
keep walking
on
a
Fred
BRICKROAD…;)
kanzensakura said:
I have found that I don’t use metaphors that much in my poems. Writing haiku as my major poetry form, it gets one in the habit of not being so…expressive? wordy? more forthright? As part of opening myself up to different poetic forms or ways of expressing myself, I find metaphors are needed. I have been practicing metaphors. Smiles. I pick several words and then do a list of literal descriptions and then, as if writing a riddle poem, I pick a word and try to find other ways of describing the object without actually saying the word. dVerse Poets has shown me so many talented writers and their use of metaphors – just amazing! I looked up Tomas Tranströmer after reading this post. Such a wonderful talent! And the Nobel prize truly seems an insignificant award after reading some of his works. And to be caught in storms without connections and electricity – Bjorn, it seems an amazing holiday. I have a feeling there are all kinds of images and thoughts that will come from that experience.
Mary said:
I really don’t use metaphors that much either, as I mentioned above. I somehow think many of us develop our own styles, which are unique to each person. My granddaughter wants to read with me right now, so I will continue later. Smiles. I enjoyed your comment here…and will continue mine.
kanzensakura said:
Lovely! Reading with your granddaughter. A friend of mine daily reads with her granddaughter and considers it her most important and rewarding “job” at this point. I remember my grandmother reading with me with much fondness.
Mary said:
I do like the way you practice with metaphors. It can help expand your writing for sure. Picking a word and finding different ways to describe it without actually saying it sounds valuable as well. If a person would do one or two each day, it could not help but improve one’s poetry! Smiles.
(And yes, I do enjoy reading with my granddaughter. Glad that your grandmother read with you too. I think it can be very enjoyable for both!)
kanzensakura said:
She loved reading Shakespeare and would be all the parts. It was great fun. When I turn six, she got me to start reading to her. ,,, I hope my practice will come in handy. it is fun at any rate.
NInot said:
My grandmother was a teacher, and granddad was a headmaster. But grandma did not speak English so well, so when I was about 11, I was her official translator for the Peyton Place weekly TV Drama, starring Ryan O Neal!
Somehow Mary, your story made me think of that after ALL these years…:-)
Gabriella said:
I do not use metaphors very often either, or at least not that I am aware of.
kanzensakura said:
It isn’t really my “style” although I did use one or two in the villainelle for dVerse. Some poets are brilliant the way they use them and not heavy handed at all. Makes me tilt my head and ponder a bit.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I read about his death in our local paper–he was unknown to me before then, so I’m so glad you shared him with us.
For me, metaphors are all around us, they come from daily life…nature, objects, people, just about anything. I think, as poets, it’s important for us to look for them, jot them down when they appear. For me, they are equally important in writing fiction.
Mary said:
Victoria, I do like the idea of writing them down as they occur. Perhaps we should all carry a very small notebook with us.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
I actually also find ideas for metaphor in prose I read, and when I was away I scribbled down a few ideas that I later used.
Mary said:
Excellent idea, Bjorn. Jotting down ideas as we read is a great idea!
C.C. said:
Thanks, Bjorn for sharing about this poet with us. And, your time away in the mountains sounds great….to be in a remote cabin reminded of the importance things of being human….lovely. I have nothing to add to the conversation about metaphors because I am so far behind all of you in terms of poetry and ‘the craft’ so simply just want to say how grateful I am to all of you for what I learn from you in terms of how you think ad process and create. Thank you for sharing from your experiences.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
We all learn from each other. Some love metaphors and other have a fascination for story-telling,. That’s what I love with a community like this.
MarinaSofia said:
I just realised I got carried away with Tranströmer and forgot to reply to the question about the metaphors. I don’t deliberately set out to create metaphors, as I work mainly auditively. I always start out with a phrase or set of words which intrigue me, which sound right, and then build the poem around that. Sometimes I try to carry through that particular image so that I don’t mix my metaphors within the same poem, but at other times there is no obvious link.
One useful trick and exercise that I learnt on a poetry course was to write down all the similes or metaphors I could think of (all the cliche ones) and then jostle them around and regroup them, stick together the ones that have no business being together. I do that with corporate jargon, just to preserve my sanity, but it works well with other things, such as proverbs and sayings too. Perhaps that could be a poetry prompt at some point – it led to some very interesting results, such as:
an apple never falls far to catch the worm
or
good things come to those who hang him
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
I like the idea.. we had ideoms at one point in the past, but I think mixing them like that would be a new twist to it.
M said:
Bjorn, thanks for sharing, I have not read him before. As to metaphors… they talk to me, or they don’t. when they do, i repeat. ~
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
You are so right… the same in both reading and writing…
NInot said:
Dear Björn,
I just finished reading The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson and enjoyed it immensely. I always try to read at least few books a year that were recommended by my daughters, and this was one of them. So I shall officially make this week my Swedish appreciation week – thanks for the intro to Tomas Tranströmer !
On the subject of metaphors, I guess because in the past, Asians really avoid saying things ‘in the face’ i.e. if you praise or scold someone, you must do it metaphorically. It would not do at all to just lash out with ‘hurtful words’ and crass to praise someone overtly so you use metaphors. However, metaphors have become so powerful that metaphors convey a message even more effectively in our culture. This is the same effect the pantun has in the Malay language. Some illustrations:
If you want to teach a child to save money for instance, we say
Sikit sikit, lama lama jadi bukit
(bit by bit, you will soon have a hill)
Or if you want to solve a difficult and complicated problem,we say
Menarik rambut dari tepung
(Pulling a single hair from powder – to ensure the powder does not scatter and the hair or thread does not break)
If there is quiet evil, we say
Ada api dalam sekam
(there is a fire burning in the haystack)
so we grow up with these metaphors or idioms really.
NInot said:
That should be – pulling a single strand of hair from powder…
MarinaSofia said:
Fascinating use of metaphors in daily lilfe. And I like your explanation for the abundance of them. That is certainly true, I find, of Japanese language and literature, which is full of old metaphors that have become almost proverbs, they get repeated and referenced, perhaps slightly adapted or modified. For instance ‘wisteria flower’ is a symbol for unrequited love, wet sleeves are a metaphor for sorrow and suffering and so on.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Actually I think that Swedish people are a little Asian .. Maybe you would say shy, so we have many metaphors.. And a long tradition to talk indirectly.. and when used enough they can become idioms… Love the examples that you share.
http://vivinfrance.wordpress.com said:
To answer your question, Bjorn, my answer is “with the greatest difficulty.”
Welcome back south to the land of Spring.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Sometimes it can be very hard… I agree.. But maybe there are tricks that we can use…
quillfyre said:
I subscribe via WordPress, all I got was a picture, no text?
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Ah.. do you read on a mobile device?