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Beth Winter, Carys, Christi Moon, Constructive Criticism, Critique, Julie Watkins, Luke Prater, The Craft of Poetry
Today I want to cover what I see to be one of the biggest issues in poetry, and one that even professional-level poets struggle with. If I had to choose just one aspect to write on, this would be it: redundant phrasing. Words, phrases, lines, stanzas, even, that are unnecessary. Every word in a poem must earn its place, every single one; no matter how poetic/ clever/ aesthetically pleasing it may be per se, if it is not adding anything to the piece overall, then has to go. There is no such thing as neutral; if it’s not contributing to the piece, then it is actively detracting. At best, it is cluttering, at worst it can make a poem almost inaccessible in terms of its content/ theme/ message because it is so shrouded. It is counterproductive in laying bare the essence of our work. Coleridge famously gave his definitions of prose and poetry –
“prose,—words in their best order; poetry,—the best words in their best order.”
As poets we want to use the craft to help the art sing more clearly, and at a greater volume. Without losing sight of the artistic vision, we can use the craft of poetry to greatly enhance the power the content has to touch, excite, entertain, elicit that emotion we intend from our readership.
Redundant phrasing is a tripartite problem – first, tautology: unnecessarily repeating the same meaning over using different words. It’s amazing how much can be stripped away when we look carefully for only what’s required for the meaning/Narrative (and subtext, where applicable). Choosing the right words is important, as Coleridge said; more on the ‘right words’ in a moment.
Second – overuse of adjectives (the words that describe a noun, such as beautiful/keen/dark etc.). We often feel the need to, and enjoy, using a lot of adjectives to enhance the noun. If we choose the perfect nouns and strong, active verbs, very few adjectives (or adverbs) are necessary. Even with weaker nouns, three adjectives to enhance/qualify are almost certainly too many. We’re heading increasingly towards leaving only what is needed, for the sense, and for the poetry – succinctness without losing sight of artistic expression.
What do I mean by the ‘right nouns’ and making adjectives redundant? I can say right away that throwing in some proper nouns (names of places, people, products), if warranted in context, will always lend interest and give the reader something get their hands on. Often we can relate to proper nouns, those places, things, names, and they characterise a Narrative, bringing it specificities that make it interesting. Proper nouns aside, as a blatant example, ‘terrifying banshee’ would be to use a redundant adjective, as banshees are normally thought of as terrifying. ‘Rose’ is a loaded word. It has associations with beauty, love, the love-hate that the thorned stem and exquisite flower can represent, the crown of roses/thorns Christ wore, etc. Almost always, though, it is correlated with beauty, so unless stated otherwise, ‘beautiful rose’ would be redundant.
Further, several adjectives can, if badly chosen, pull away from each other, and force the noun out of focus, rather than enhance it. A little like mixing metaphors. An adjective can be a wonderful thing and enrich a poem greatly, but in overused can put it six feet under.
Thirdly – too many small words – articles (a/the), conjunctions (and/but/though, etc.), prepositions (to/for/after, etc.), pronouns (I/he/she, etc.), possessive adjectives (my/your/our, etc.). Today we almost never write in full sentences; many small words can be stripped to aid the flow and sharpen a piece without losing the meaning or a noticeable amount of grammar. Pronouns and possessive adjectives, in particular, are to be wary of, because too many of these (the dreaded ‘I’ especially), can make the Narrative feel so personal to Narrator/Author that a reader may find the content harder to identify with. Stripping too many, though, may result in it feeling too impersonal.
Below is a mostly awful poem I wrote eleven years ago at University. It contains much redundancy. I’ll put that in [brackets] –
[You look like] an oil painting
[With your] pouting
[And] surreptitious smiles.
[Do I need to] squeeze myself [into] two dimensions
To explore your allure?
Sleek hair, chic as a siamese
You don’t ooze, you leak.
Drip, drip, drip
Leaking from your face like sweaty make-up.
[You look like] an oil painting
But [you’re] no[t the] Mona Lisa.
[You look like] an oil painting
[With your] perpetual posing,
Your ‘good side’ offered in ostentation
Like the light side of the moon.
When you alight on my Chesterfield
[I can’t decide whether] you[’re] sitting on it
Or modelling it
[So] I’m silent as I drink my drink
[And think other thoughts.
I wish you’d drink yours -]
[But] you sip, [a dainty kitten and milk,]
A dignitary and cognac, the Dean’s wife and Cinzano Bianco
Sip, sip, sip
Inching down your glass
Like a virgin skier.
[You’re like] an oil painting
But Botticelli wouldn’t have bothered.
Some rewording and line/stanza-breaking also needed, end result looked like this –
An oil painting
pouting
surreptitious smile
Squeeze myself
two-dimensional
to get what
you got:
Sleek hair, chic as a Siamese
you don’t ooze, you leak
Drip, drip, drip
leaking from your face
like sweaty make-up
An oil painting
but no da Vinci
An oil painting
perpetually posing
fat harvest moon
exhibitionism
Alighting
on the Chesterfield
are you sitting on it,
or modelling it?
I swill my glassful, silently as possible.
You sip:
a dignitary and Cognac,
the Dean’s wife and Cinzano Bianco
Sip, sip, sip
inching down your glass
like a virgin skier
An oil painting
but Botticelli wouldn’t have bothered.
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As last week, post a poem, old or new – one you’re needing help with, or one you more generally want feedback on. In light of today’s discussion on redundant phrasing, it is worth going over it with a fine-tooth comb before posting, checking for anything that you may see now as redundant and cluttering the essence of the piece.
A brief reminder of basic protocol and tips for commenting critically:
▪ Use tact. Always. There is no room for abusive or needlessly harsh critique.
▪ Double-check with yourself that you really aren’t ‘precious’ about the poem you are posting. Know that all critique is meant in the best interests of the poem, and never directed at the poet personally. I like to say we ‘leave our egos at the door’.
▪ State points as opinion, never fact. If it helps you to do this, use the term ‘in my opinion’ (IMO).
▪ Be objective as possible in terms of the poem/poet at hand. And though a poem may not appeal, stay open to its merits (such as original metaphor or clever wordplay).
▪ Be honest. If you see an area you feel is weak, call it. Similarly, point out the strengths of the poem. Why did/didn’t it work? Suggestions?
▪ ‘Sandwich Technique’ – An excellent approach as it is systematic, and feels constructive/positive to those on the receiving end. It’s simple: start with what you thought worked/what you liked, move on to aspects you felt could be improved on, and finish with an encouraging comment that extrapolates the positives to encompass the poem as a whole.
▪ I forgot to mention this last week – if you don’t yet feel confident/comfortable with commenting critically, please comment the normal way (rather than refraining altogether).
Onboard with me this week are talented poets and critiquers Beth Winter, who runs her own crit group on AllPoetry.com, and Julie Watkins (Carys) and Christi Moon, both of whom are admins on our Crit/Discussion Group Facial Expression Poetry Circle. They’ll be helping me visit you all with constructive feedback.
Let’s get started. Just click on the Mr Linky button below to share your poem, and to access the others already linked.
Look forward to a fine session of reading and collaborative crafting effort!
Bar is open and I’m mixing cocktails instead of metaphors – Bombay Sapphire and go easy on the adjectives.
yes ma’am
excellent post and excellent example on your own poem luke…i continuously fall into this using-too-many-words trap as well… your example shows that less is more sometimes. thanks so much and great you’re having some highly talented ladies with you on the trail..thanks to julie, beth and christie…looking forward to meeting the bar..
Yes I though best to have a team, even if the numbers are down from last week. Giving crit cam take a while longer than the usual. Wonderful at it they all are
Oh my…as one who relies way too much on overusing words…this is terrifying! As noted by most of my comments…I seldom know when to shut my mouth, especially when it comes to poetry! I often fear stripping down too much loses the me, but I do have to admit, that may not prove a bad thing! Luke, the intro was wonderful! And as hard a lesson as it may be for me to get, THANK YOU!
I hope it is of some help
Thanks Luke for the pointers and example. I can appreciate the guidelines from the critique of Beth the other week. It really helped me in my writing.
Will have to review my post then before I link up ~
Sure. Though feel free to post one you’re not happy with, teh crit can be very helpful 🙂
I bravely posted mine ~ (I feel like i am in class). Like some of you here, I have no formal training in this but can benefit greatly from your feedback.
Thanks ~
Sometimes the Catholic school education freezes my poetry. I prefer to write in phrases, run-ons, and non-sentences but after I write them I think…uh oh, this isn’t proper, it’s ill formed, there’s no predicate here (even though it’s implied). Thanks Luke, for reinforcing that it might be ok to pare it down. Always good for me to bear in mind that adjectives are heavy jewelry for any poem, adverbs make it clunky and anything repeated needs to be looked at again. I’ll try to keep that in mind. Thank you for this wonderful lesson, Luke.
welcome Gay. I had a hard time keeping under the word limit
This is so good, Luke. I feel like I’ve just spent an hour at University in a top-notch poetry class. I’m off to find a sucky poem for you to “make better.” Thank you.
hehe ok V x
great stuff luke…i am all about trimming the fat…it tends to give much more punch to what you are saying for sure…picked one that is fairly tight…only 55 words actually…that is one thing that has helped me is playing some of the constraining memes (55words or 160 characters) and stillbeing able to say something meaningful…
cheers Brian
I’m crazy busy! I’ll try and read later. I did drop my link, thuogh 🙂 Have fun everyone!!
Uggg! A never before seen, supposedly stripped down write by me? I tried! 🙂
coolio
I’m timid, perhaps a little intimidated… so I wrote a short piece (and this week I pasted the correct link).
In this environment we can post those we feel are pretty done but would be interested seeing what crit responses we get, or, equally, ones that need work and want help with. Either way it’s constructive and nothing to feel intimidated about my friend 🙂
OK – read a bit. Procrastinated a lot – see you all later 🙂
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Luke, thanks for hosting and offering your guidance. Enjoyed your opening post — very instructive! I’ve submitted three “oldies” — not sure if they’re “goodies”. 🙂 Look forward to your comments!
we may find three hard to get to with full crit; thanks for posting. Do comment where you can. Cheers
though if three all posted together I’m sure it’ll be no problem
Bellying up to the bar, cold drink in hand, ready to reach into the mix and crunch up a few adjectives and redundancies. 🙂
Wonderful intro, Luke. I will be off work in a couple of hours, ready for finding sanity in poetry… or insanity if some is shared 🙂
cheers Beth
Thank you, Luke, for these words of wisdom. I was a little intimidated to post at first, but I decided to include an older poem that I would like some feedback on. Thanks dVerse for the opportunity.
You’re welcome, glad you posted, Stephen
Gladly linked up for some feedback! Thank you Luke and all team members.
Gayle
Do comment yourself – though remember if you aren’t comfortable yet with ‘critiquing’ then normal commenting is OK
This is really a lucid and exceptionally helpful article, Luke. Thanks so much. I know I use some of these standards when I proof, especially the removal of all the extraneous articles which always seem present in super-abundance in my first shaping of a poem. Redundancy and the blithe scattering of a million bland descriptors when two or three good ones say so much more is all too easy to overlook in the heat of composition, but it’s so intrusive and such a turn off to readers–learning to recognize it in the proofing is crucial. I really liked your point that the more specific the language and the less you cover up your subject in unnecessary words, the more the poem speaks.
Really enjoyed this look under the poetic hood from a master mechanic, if you’ll allow a little flowery metaphor. ;_)
ah hey thanks Joy, much appreciate that. Glad it was useful
Great info here, Luke. Alot of the same ideas I try to follow when working on prose writing, but I see it definitely requires a great deal more precision when we’re talking poetry. Great quote from Coleridge by the way- really brings your message home. I see the difference it’s all about practicing to perfect it…all in good time. Thanks for sharing your poetry wisdom. 🙂
I like the guidance and education you’re providing here, in addition to the crit. This site and process are sure to help me grow as a poet. Thank you!
Thanks, Luke, for the tutorial on crits…
I am new to posting poetry
and finding this exciting and expanding
my horizons.
Thanks for your insights to how to critique
with flare and fairness.
☮ Siggi in Downeast Maine
you’re welcome, I’m glad it’s helpful
Excellent discussion and coverage of a craft serving your passion so well. Thanks for the work in making us more poetically perfect.
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Sorry to log on so late. The older I get the more I forget. I did link in.
I posted a horrible thing I tried writing 10 years ago.
Let’s see if it has any hope and can be fixed.
TIA
I really like the inputs (thanks carys and brian). Appreciate all the guidance ~
I posted the edited version of my poem. Thank you for your crit everyone! I appreciate your time, your thoughtfulness and sincerity.
This is excellent, Luke. Thanks for sharing your own examples with us. I need to work on all of the above. Will link up as soon as I can.
headed to bed…great job tonight luke, carys, beth and christie…seeing some great suggestions and crit out there on the trails…catch up with everyone in the morning…
Oh no – I think I linked too late …. but I’ve left comments
no – you’re not too late…the crit bar is still open…smiles..just headed over to your place…a beautiful poem..
Hi,
What a fantastic article! It is one of my problems… and I try to work on it but sometimes I get stuck.
In case it isn’t too late…I’m in a different time zone and keep missing out on good stuff. I have to figure out how to drink at the pub with you.
Can anyone can help me with my write?
I would appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you for the helpful article – my besetting sin, overuse of fancy words, adjectives and adverbs! I’m not altogether in accord with too stringent an attitude towards articles. Much of my poetry has been over-pruned, with the result that a tutor/poet whose work I greatly respect hauled me over the coals, and had me re-insert articles here and there – mainly in the interest of clarity!
I enjoyed your condensed poem, though I didn’t understand this stanza:
‘ I swill my glassful, silently as possible.
You sip:
a dignitary and Cognac,
the Dean’s wife and Cinzano Bianco’
My kind of poem
It’s not true that poems must be difficult,
stuffed with metaphor and abstruse thought.
My poem is a case in point.
I say what I mean
and mean what I say –
as clear as a mountain stream.
I want you to feel my emotion
see with my vision
dance to my rhythm
believe in my dream.
thank you.
where did my thank you go? i do not want to be redundant but i am leaving a comment again.
thank you.
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good morning…got the coffee on…lets crit…
Thanks for the feedback, all. I tweaked it a bit – let me know if it ends one a stronger note this time around: http://fracturedphrases.blogspot.com/2011/08/backlit.html
Luke, perhaps you will consider my comment redundant, but I really preferred the first version 🙂
It has a lyricism to it, a connecting cranky fluidity that absorbs the chatty nattering mood of the poet… it has a heart and a beat to it, the longer lines complimented by the sharp short staccato bursts – I suspect it appeals to me because it was written in real time, and I can really ‘hear’ it. The later poem doesn’t capture the humorous annoyance of the first 😉
I write very economically myself, like this http://shaistatayabali.blogspot.com/2009/10/all-this-and-heaven-too.html
Thank you so much for your creative and supportive critique. I made changes according to your suggestions and really appreciate all your help.
🙂
Deb
Well said! I’m a minimalist, which is probably why I like haiku. In fact, I think writing haiku is a great exercise for learning how to cut out excess words.
Tweaked following feedback – thanks to those who dropped by
Very good teaching Luke, thank you for hosting. Very helpful thoughts, examples, and encouragement.
I’ve taken a deep breath…
here goes….
=)
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this is a new one just for fun. i tried to apply your wonderful suggestions while having to maintain 55 words. it’s definitely better than what i started with. {smile} thanks, Luke
Hi! Brian,Claudia, Luke Prater and d”Verse staff…
I have to agree with Claudia this most definitely, is an excellent post with a lot Of informative information about the craft Of poetry writing, being courtesy, helpful, and while learning from each other at the same time.
[postscript: The English tips are quite useful for me too!]
Thanks, for sharing!
deedee 🙂
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This is an excellent article; thank you, Luke for sharing this information. I find it very useful. I have much to work on.
Finally was able to link up– I did edit it first to take out the obvious redundant words and unnecessary articles, but still needs some work. The poem is one I wrote in June based on a picture prompt– so I included the picture as well. Thanks again.
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gosh now i realise how horribly i write … thanks luke … this would help a lot.
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A great post.
I have really enjoyed following the poems on the Linky List and the changes inspired by the great critiques.
By the time I had built up the courage to join in the Link List closed! I’ve still put it on to my blog and would welcome any comments.
I feel that I’ve learnt a lot from reading the great poets who did join in. Thanks
just jumped over and left a few thoughts mike…
This has been great! I’ve enjoyed reading other people’s work, and making comments where I felt I could, and I am extremely grateful to those who have commented on mine. I was very stuck with the poem I posted, and now can see where to go from here. That’s a wonderful gift!
I try to make every poem I write live up to that Coleridge quote, it is always on my mind.
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