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charles miller, Emily Dickinson, immanuel kant, Neoplatonism, plato, poetry and philosophy, ralph waldo emerson, Transcendentalism, W.B. Yeats, William Blake
Welcome to dVerse Poetics poets and friends! I’m Charles Miller (Chazinator to my friends). I’ll be your host this evening and hope the words are already blowing the tops of people’s heads off in there and I’ll explain how this works in a few minutes. But tonight’s prompt begins in the marbled city of Athens, a long time ago …
The controversy between poetry and philosophy hasn’t always been so.
Plato was perhaps extreme in banishing poets from the ideal Republic because they couldn’t explain the source of their inspiration. Yet philosophers and poets have
fraternized ever since. Indeed, his own words formed the basis for a perennial source of poetic inspiration, Neoplatonism, in such poets as William Blake and W.B. Yeats.
Since Plato, poets have used philosophy for both inspiration as well as a greater and deeper awareness of reality. From Lucretius (Democritus) and Dante (Aquinas) to Borges (Schopenhauer), Stevens (Bergson), and Eliot (Hegel), poets have sought and found inspiration in the rational explanation of reality provided by philosophy.
History, notwithstanding, some might think the following exercise superficial. Philosophers analyze ideas and concepts and who humans are and their connection to how they can know a world or themselves. Poets express the reality of the world in its emotional grip of the soul; thought in the form of an ecstatic awareness of ourselves in the world, so to speak.
In addition, in many instances, you have to read a poet’s biography or a literary analysis to discover that they used a philosopher’s thought to write their own poetry. It’s just an idiosyncrasy of an otherwise great poet.
So, the question for us is, in what way does a poet “use” philosophy?
Consider the following lines from Emerson, the father of Transcendentalism, in his poem, “Gnothi Seauton” (transliteration of the Greek words meaning, “know thyself,” Socrates’ famous dictum)
Thou art the law;
The gospel has no revelation
Of peace and hope until there is response
From the deep chambers of thy mind thereto,—–
The rest is straw.
It can reveal no truth unknown before.
The Providence
Thou art thyself that doth dispense
Wealth to thy work, want to thy sloth,
Glory to goodness, to neglect, the moth.
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Emerson has some truths in mind about the nature of human will and how humans should comport themselves in relationship to reality. They’re poetic, perhaps, in the primordial sense, revelations of truths known from time immemorial. The poem also takes a swipe at religions that espouse a transcendent source. All truth is within, the poet reveals, we have but to have the will to take on the responsibility to see it. These are the practical maxims of his philosophical mentor, Immanuel Kant, meant to spur to living ethically. All conveyed in the rhythms and rhymes of poetry to make them more palpable.
Compare Emerson’s poem with Emily Dickinson’s, herself a Transcendentalist, “’Hope’” is the thing with feathers”:
“Hope” is the thing with feathers –
That perches in the soul –
And sings the tune without the words –
And never stops – at all –
And sweetest – in the Gale – is heard –
And sore must be the storm –
That could abash the little Bird
That kept so many warm –
I’ve heard it in the chillest land –
And on the strangest Sea –
Yet – never – in Extremity,
It asked a crumb – of me.
Can you discern a philosophy there? Certainly there’s thought, a passionate reason, but these are not poetic syllogisms. The concept of belief, as it is in itself, is embodied as a bird. This bird is a fragile, heart-singing thing, able to weather strong storms and remain steadfast and filled with music that can comfort others. Yet the ironic last two lines pose a questioning alert. The poet, so at one with the object of her contemplation, disengages herself from the bird, opening up a door for that enemy of belief, doubt, the philosopher’s friend.
Tonight, consider the different ways these or other poets have written philosophically. Select a philosophy, defined as broadly as you desire, and write a poem on it, about it, inside or outside it. You can follow Emerson’s or Dickinson’s tactics or use your license and create your own. Take a concept and compare it to a thing that expresses its essence or reveal to us the nature of reality in primordial truths. This is the place, now is the time.
Cool? Then let’s get it on. Here’s how it works:
- Post a poem that fits the prompt to your blog,
- Link in the poem you’d like to share by clicking on the Mr.Linky button just below.
- This opens a new screen where you’ll enter your information, and where you also choose links to read. Once you have pasted your poem’s blog url and entered your name, simply click submit.
- Don’t forget to let your readers know where you’re linking up and encourage them to participate by including a link to dVerse in your blog post.
- Visit as many other poems as you like, commenting as you see fit. Chances are if you comment on others they will comment on you. Funny how that works.
- Remember, we’re here for each other. Engage your fellow poets, talk, chat, comment, let them know their work is being read, and enjoy the input you also will receive. Feel free to tweet and share on the social media of your choice.
Finally, enjoy–this is poetry alive.
attribution for the above pic: Raphael [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons
charles…great job on the prompt today…you def have thrown down the chellenge and are making us think…your piece at your place is wicked cool with layers of wisdom as well…good stuff man…
~brian miller
http://www.waystationone.com
thank you charles to tending bar tonight…and thanks for bringing plato, emerson, dickinson and kant into the pub… poets and philosophers…how awesome would it be to meet some of them…
first i thought i’d go with immanuel kant’s Sapere aude! Have the courage to use one’s own reason! ….but then Martin Luther made the race with one of my favorite quotes by him… ”Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree.”
happy saturday poets!!
Sometimes (I think) I think too much. Where would poets be without Philosophy. That wasn’t supposed to rhyme but, it did…LOL
Great prompt.
sometimes i think i think too much as well…always looking for that switch to turn off the brain for a bit every once and a while….smiles
thanks Charles…as we find philosophical notions within so much, I venture to say my thoughts may miss the mark of your prompt….but with interpretive arts, a secondary contemplative look may reveal a deeper purpose in our words
I will give it a go
As always, the dVerse venue is greatly appreciated by myself and so many others I know
Peace
Charles…what creative license you have granted us here at the pub this evening…the question becomes…do I drink the Long Island Iced Tea BEFORE I write the poem? Could certainly have a bearing on the result as I drift away to wax philosophical with my pen…beware the hemlock…I’m thinking perhaps I’ll open up a conversation on ethics… (PS: Suffering thru a power outage and rocking a personal hotspot with my phone…I’m here till the battery finally gives up or NSP gets their you know what together!)
on ethics…well i smell a politcal bent coming on…hehe…ack on the power outage tash…enjoy the time as you can….smiles.
Chazinator, your challenge has been answered,
my soul satiated for the moment, and thanks for
being the muse of the moment.
Hi Charles! I must confess that I’ve never been able to grasp philosophy as an area of study. The only course I ever took I was thankfully able to do on a pass/fail basis! That said, I do find the intersect between poetry and philosophy intriguing.
And that said, I’ve opted for a rather silly route, though I found the subject quite inspiring.
Thanks much. K.
Excellent discussion you raise here, Charles–I think almost everyone operates from a personal philosophy–how few of us seek to really define it, let alone write it clearly in a poetic form. I was glancing through some old journals earlier today and found some quotes that impressed me from Heraclitus..perhaps that would be a place to start. Off to brood, and see what may transpire. Thanks for hosting this session of Poetics, Charles, and for this very intriguing prompt.
That made me think! Thanks Charles…
Didn’t think I had time to do this (working under a very important deadline next week) but I just couldn’t resist.
glad you didnt skip laurie…def enjoyed your piece…
Yes, a provocative prompt. Reminded me that the very idea of haiku expresses a Buddhist point of view…how does that then influence the “American” haiku?
alright people…i am heading out to see Red Tails with T…be back later tonight to catch up….have fun swimming in the deep thoughts….smiles.
Not very deep, just a glimpse of how my mind goes ’round and ’round…. Thanks, Charles.
Excellent prompt, I do not always do it but it is a good idea to think philoshophiclly. I am afraid that these fast paced pop culture days we live in has us deep in technology and deep in being socially connected but shallow in our thinking.
http://blueridgemountainboy.blogspot.com/2012/02/embracing-enemy.html
Ah Charles – thanks for manning the bar tonight and for picking this particular prompt … ’tis as if you’ve been reading my mail … I find myself returning to different philosophers for inspiration from time-to-time, especially as a shrink once told me I suffered from an “existential” depression (this is not something you ever need to hear; it generally means, in my view, something untreatable with no known cause – however, it piqued my interest and made me a Sartre devotee of sorts …) In any case, I look forward to seeing what other poets come up with for this interesting challenge. Thanks again.
“In the House of Moon Madness: can be found on my blog THE WAY EYE SEE IT at:
http://aleapingelephant.blogspot.com/2012/02/in-house-of-moon-madness.html
We are therefore we think, or we think
therefore we are, or does the wellspring
of poetics spring full blown from half
thoughts or whole philosophies? We spend
each lifetime in lesson, endeavoring to find
that sweet spot of purest poetic faith that
will let us sleep nights, and smile at each
new dawn that greets us.
A great and interesting prompt. And one I finally got in on… I really matches my mood and I happened to be thinking about Socrates and Plato. Specifically, Plato’s Cave.
http://sejdb.livejournal.com/334867.html
I am very late to the party. The discussion here is fantastic. My personal beliefs not only wash through my poetry but also try to drown me sometimes. It is too late for me to write and link up this evening. I will do so tomorrow.
I thought I would see what I could do with this… I drew from descartes work on the relationship between mind and body.
I’ve finally managed to respond to one of these poetics prompts! I’ve drawn inspiration from the Platonic ideal; that there is a perfect spiritual example of everything, which material reality is only a shadow of – a bit like my poem really!
I’ve taken you at your word, and defined philosophy very broadly. A testing prompt, but enjoyable.
good morning…read through all the overnight entries and had a great time..now off for a walk to exercise the body as well…smiles
nice prompt-essay charles! actually loved it 😉
glad i could do a poem for this prompt!
good morning…enjoy that walk C….just getting up myself….coffee in hand ready to be amazed once more…smiles.
still frickin’ cold over here…soon we will have ice bears turning up here because they confuse germany for the north pole..ha
ha…def took a turn for the cold here this weekend as well…down in the teens last night…a long jog from the theatre to the car in the face of it and the strong winds…
it took me a while, but i finally wrapped my head around this, charles. my poem is over at fireblossom’s this time.
always great to see you in the pub shay….
Didn’t read or look that you tagged me in and stuck it up, whoops..lol..bah it’s sunday and I’m still half asleep, but that’s such a good figment of my imagination helping me out…lol
haha…and my tag in was with such a nice text on figmentalism…not just pat hatt like yours…smiles
what a great post…I’m very interested in the way that poets and philosophers have had similar thoughts about the polotics and social climate of their times. This poem went up on Thursday for my “A Poem For Thursday” on my blog. So thankyou for the chance to put it out in the blogosphere a bit more!
Wrote “Horses Wear Jeans” a while back, but I found it suitable. It’s a metaphorical vision of a society who keeps losing their values. https://myowngrowth.wordpress.com/2012/01/01/horses-wear-jeans/
Interesting prompt. I’ve re-linked my poem ‘Ascent’ I think it fits the criteria and I hope it may find some new readers. Now off to read the contributions of others.
james it was perfect and a great one for me to revisit as well….
Thanx 4 the opportunity to experiment with ideas through poetry. What an excellent prompt. I love it.
yes it was…charles did a great job with this prompt…
Excellent prompt, well-sourced.
…and imagine how cool it were if we had some of the philosophers in the pub for a discussion round…smiles..enjoyed your piece dick
Novella The Yard Sale in full posted before this excerpt. Same genre as Shirley Jackson’s The Lottery, Golding’s Lord of the Flies, and Huxley’s Brave New World.
Let me know what you think if you have time to read it or parts of it.
Thanks
Ted
on my way over to read…
Ug…everything from dVerse has been going into my spam folder! I don’t need that to be two steps behind! I really like this one Claudia, and still want to participate…I’ll get there eventually. Thanks for a great topic!
looking forward to what you’re coming up with mary…still about 9 hours left to join..
Thanks Charles for hosting. Found this fascinating, plus you shared one of my favorites, “Hope” by Emily Dickenson. Running in late on this (work weekends), so am sharing a previously written piece posted to my blog that I had not shared anywhere before. Very small (just a haiku) –my one philosophical piece!
your just a haiku is very nice ginny…i’d follow it…smiles…
great to see all the ones rolling in on a sunday afternoon…will be around to visit here shortly…
Too short to link, so I’ll leave let it leap into the pool here:
insight awakened with each word — poetry
nice poetry has that power….
and life in a poem…sorry i am not on FB so i cant get to your note….
No problem. I post every poem on my blog the same day. Plus pictures with the blog post, lol.
Missed the Linky deadline…and probably going to have my license revoked for this…
http://whimsygizmo.wordpress.com/2012/02/14/philosophy-is-the-talk-on-a-cereal-box/