‘Classic’ square poems refer to poems where the number of syllables per line is equal to the number of lines.
I Often Wondered
I often wondered when I cursed,
Often feared where I would be –
Wondered where she’d yield her love
When I yield, so will she.
I would her will be pitied!
Cursed be love! She pitied me…
A quick read of this shows that the above is not an example of a ‘classic’ square poem.
Lewis Carroll – most famous as the author of “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland”, and of “Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There” – wrote the poem above, and came up with the structure that underlies it.
Carroll – whose real name was Charles Lutwidge Dodgson – had an academic career that swung like a pendulum between promise and disaster. Like many scholars who are naturally gifted, he didn’t always apply himself, and lost scholarships because of, simply, not studying.
Still, his innate mathematical ability won him a position as a lecturer in Oxford University, which he practiced for over a quarter of a century.
Being an avid mathematician, Carroll loved weaving it through his works, and doctoral dissertations have been written on the geometry, algebra, and more complex mathematics embedded in the Alice series.
He’s done that as well, in “I Often Wondered”, embedded mathematics into the poem. This time, he’s done it with a matrix… but the form has come to be known (unfortunately for the ‘classic’ square poem) as a square poem. Let’s call it a Carroll square poem, for clarity.
In the example above, there are six lines to the poem, each with six words. However, the trick is that while you can read the lines in the normal way, horizontally, the poem can also be read in columns. Either way, the poem reads exactly the same!
It’s pretty easy to do this with random, nonsensical words. The amazing thing is that each line of the poem does make sense – with a bit of mental gymnastics – and the poem hangs together pretty well as a whole.
Carroll created a 6×6 square poem, but it can be done with any length, for example, here are a few square poems I made up just now:
2×2:
I’m very,
Very weary.
3×3:
He sees things
Sees them all
Things all change.
4×4:
Are you my love?
You make dreams new,
My dreams and yours.
Love, new, yours, true.
5×5:
We came home from battle,
Came home tired without hope.
Home, tired of grief now;
From without, grief from everything.
Battle, hope – now everything lost.
Not having edited these except for punctuation, I don’t consider the above more than exercises… but you can definitely produce some good work with the structure, pulling a white rabbit out of the hat, as it were.
Here’s what it can look like, throwing a bit of slant rhyme for the second lines of each stanza:
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Bend to This
by Samuel Peralta
Bend to this, your wondrous lips;
To these, which desire your kiss;
This, which engenders our trembling limbs.
Your desire, our shared hearts’ caress;
Wondrous, your trembling heart’s entwining flames.
Lips kiss, limbs caress, flames embrace.
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The challenge gets more difficult the higher up in order you go. I’ve pretty much pegged Carroll’s 6×6 as the benchmark.
Can you do a 6×6 Carroll square poem, or any better? I’m eager to see!
As usual, share your poem via the link button below, and please, visit your fellow writers to see what they’ve come up with. I know I’m looking forward to it!
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Samuel Peralta – on Twitter as @Semaphore – is the author of Sonata Vampirica; Sonnets from the Labrador; and How More Beautiful You Are.
Images public domain / via WikiMedia Commons.
I’ll be eager to see what people come up with! See you all later tonight!
Sam, I think you need to refresh your syllable counter.
Lewis Carroll’s rules don’t specify syllables, see his example. The classic square poem does, but as the article notes, this isn’t about the classic square poem – but the Carroll square poem. Confused? Yes, I wish Carroll had used a different name for his form!
This was quite a challenge – but I gave it a whirl!
And you did an excellent job, loved it!
I’ll be darned. Luke Prater’s two forms, the Stress Matrix Dectet and the Stress Matrix Sonnet are both Square Poems (with a major twist). His forms shift from Iambic to Trochaic on alternating lines.
I have several of these. I will choose something to share. Great article!
Hmmm, not sure what to make of this Sam.
Mine is square, but looks a little bare
so expansion might be done whilst watching Nadal.
Beth, those are great forms, would love to see your take!… but I was thinking more of Lewis Carroll’s version of square poems. What do you think?
This is so much harder than it looks!
It is, but fun at the same time!
I get the office all to myself this afternoon…and you tempt my pen with math!!!??? Oh, Mr. Peralta…I owe you for this one! (But adore Carroll…so we’ll call it even) Off to take a stab…
Cool, can’t wait to see!
Sam, I have one already:
I’m very
very intimidated.
But I’m not sure I got the syllables right! Wasn’t sure if you have to do that part. (Ha.)
k.
LOL, that works! According to Carroll’s rules, syllables don’t count, only reading horizontally and vertically
Great. So much easier! (Ha!) k.
I love this form, this prompt, and this description:
“had an academic career that swung like a pendulum between promise and disaster. Like many scholars who are naturally gifted, he didn’t always apply himself”
Fantastic, Samuel. This will be exciting.
My comments went AWOL again.
Sam, I’m now fully formed.
Well, sort of 🙂
Where are those darn comments?!
Anyway, will trundle off to your website soon, and have a look!
I enjoyed this post, also trying the form … much fun. Pam
Thanks Pam, glad you could drop by!
ok…i’m in….not taking myself too seriously with this…but i had fun..smiles…off for the night….licking my wounds as germany just got beaten by italy in the european soccer championship and i’m suffering…mmmmmmhhh….
This one can yield good results only after spending tons of time, it’s looks simple but isn’t.
Oh, I watched the game highlights (or lowlights, depending on your point of view) and I feel for you…
sam, this was a beast….really it took me forever…and i played a bit as per usual but man you made me work for this one…smiles….
Brian, I’m honoured to make you break out a sweat, most of your poems seem to flow from you so easily.
Sam, cool form. Been doing things like this for years, never even remotely aware that there was an actual form so close to the little doodles and word games my weirdness attracts to lol Excellent write-up, very informative. Can’t wait to hop on later tonight when I get free enough to really sit down and enjoy all of these. Again, thanks for hosting.
Lewis Carroll plays a lot of wordgames, he spent a lot of time inventing new ones. I too was surprised to discover this form, and it’s more difficult than at first sight.
I did it! with none of my own words! That’s scarey, but I sort of like it. At the moment it seems more an equation than an expression of me, but I can tell from both “Sleep Walk Talk” and your poems, Sam, that the form could force a spare wonderful tongue-tied-ness that is mine.
That is very cool!
Hard to pull off with two puppies vying for my attention but it sounded like too much fun to pass up. Thanks for the excellent article and challenge.
Well, if that 7×7 poem was done while keeping two puppies at bay… I’m really impressed!
Thanks, they’re in a paper chewing (indiscriminate chewing really) phase which makes poetry writing all the more challenging :).
At least you didn’t use the excuse “The dog ate my poetry!”
haha
(tap, tap) Psst, Samuel, here’s my 10X10 (while the puppies slept). I’d love to know your thoughts: http://chromapoesy.com/2012/06/29/the-collector/
Wow! A must-read!
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Very cool prompt Sam, wonderful fun. Now if only I had an ounce of whimzy to carry thru on one! Great poems coming in, tho.
I know, this is much harder than it looks. It’s easy until you actually try to make the poem say something!
Hot red lips
burning mine –
now ice cold.
Now I will want to do larger ones all night instead of submitting!
Hi,
mine is up. I really enjoyed this form, thank you.
http://www.thehappyamateur.com/2012/06/square-poem.html
Sasha
Perfect! Will have a looks in a bit. And thanks for dropping by, Sasha!
This is sooo cool. I will have to try my hand at one of these sometime, I’m so glad I discovered dverse.
AJ… if you keep up with even half of the dverse articles, it’s an amazingly rich experience, and I find my poetry is the better for it.
Had to be in Dallas all day today. Just got home and read the article. Brilliant Sam, you keep finding new things and wow! this one is so cool. I hope to find a little time to write one if humanly (that is me) possible.
Well, Gay, I give all credit to Lewis Carroll, he was the one who came up with the form!
I had fun with the form though my eyes crossed up and down ~
Thanks Sam ~
I admit, square poems do make you cross-eyed. These are the first poems I’ve ever written with an Excel spreadsheet!
Haha, me too!
Oh, that was a good idea!
Oh and by the way THANK YOU Ms. Madeleine Begun Kane!
yeah for those of you that did not see….dVerse was in the Washington Post today…check your tweets!
Very cool!
I think the machine ate the comment I left about the potential usefulness of this formula, though the square I pulled off today has none of my own words in it and has wrestled itself way out of my control! I think the form is calculated for that with the repetitions moving characters from sanity to chaos.
Retrieved it!
What an interesting prompt, the mathematician in me is intrigued as much as the poet. I linked the closest thing I have to a “real” square poem, it’s an old one, but as I explain my word mechanics, I think you’ll see I was after a highly-similar effect. Mine doesn’t read the same vertically vs horizontally, I wasn’t after that precise an adherence to form, but rather, when I wrote it I was inspired by Carroll’s work to “do my own thing,” what poet isn’t?
Sneaky! But since this is Lewis Carroll we’re talking about, we’ll let it sliiiiiiide 🙂
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I agree with Brian…it was beastly! But was fun too…thanks for an interesting prompt, Samuel.
It was definitely fun for me too!
Gayle, my comment disappeared into the ether on your site… 😦
Oh..bummer! 😦
Check your spam filters, it may be in the spam pile, all you have to do is check “This is not spam” or something like that.
So got something – I don’t know if it makes full sense. I tried to record it as when I read it it makes more sense, but although I got recordings, I could not upload them. Which is probably the best for everyone! It was an interesting challenge, really like doing Sudoku or something, I thought. k.
I commented on your blog, but my comment disappeared – into the spam filter abyss? Anyway, I thought your use of the hyphenated-word technique was an excellent “modern” complement to Carroll’s form, and worked so well.
Will check out and retrieve, thanks. k.
I know of only four poets who wield hyphenated-word well, I’m not one of them…. you are, though. Good on you.
Well, thanks – I was so inspired by your rhyme and elegance. I went for rhyme if not elegance! Ha. Thanks much for the informative article and very inspiring examples. k.
I’ve visited everyone’s site so far, but in a couple of sites my comments disappeared. I tried a couple of times on these sites with no change. If you don’t see anything from me, please check your spam comment archive and if it’s there, please do resurrect my comment. Thanks!
Ugh, half my comments end up in spam these days.
yep i got the first 20…be back in the morning to catch up…off to get my beauty sleep…smiles.
I’m off as well… see you all again in the morning!
Talk about mind-bending–I never was very good at math, but I do love Alice and the white rabbit!! Here’s my tongue-twister. . .
Your tongue-twister worked well, Ginny, thanks!
I see you are in a mood for inflicting torture on poets Semaphore. OK I’ll write one but just for you…..I’m not inclined to anything square,roots etc:)
Poetry IS torture! And we are all masochists!
good morning poets…popping back in, coffee in hand…going to be a hot one here today…the air is already thick….
You guys make learning and experimenting so much fun!!!! 🙂 And now I am off to read the other squares…this is gonna be one interesting day!!
kavita!!!! always great to see you! and you spun this one tight!
Hello, and welcome back!
Great and exciting prompt. I did not get further than 4 x 4 in my first attempts, but am still trying. Great exercise!
nice…4×4 is cool…on my way over…just drug myself out the pool…dang its hot…topped 100 today…
4×4 is a good solid square, especially with a first attempt…
Excellent prompt, Sam, very challenging – for me at least. I stuck to the same number of syllables per line, hence my crude try. I used to experiment with cut up methods, which this somehow reminded me of. My own effort got me to thinking of Zukofsky, whose work I admire. There’s also a potential for a form of concrete poetry out of this. Since I’m free-associating now, I’d also mention Messiaen’s music, which uses musical retrogrades, though that’s not an exact analogy to this form. Anyway, some food for thought for me, thank you.
I took another go at it, for what it’s worth. Happier a bit this time. I really like the way the pieces recombine into something different/same that goes on. Intrigues my metaphysical, aberrant soul.
Cool. My own memories of cut-up poetry have more to do with ransom notes.
Did I just say that out loud?
You did, it musta been dada speaking! I knew there was some evil twin hiding there with a rainbow scarf and glass of absinthe! 🙂
I hope I’m not too late.
Not late at all… I’ll be over after I have a bite to eat! Man does not live by poetry alone… some linguini is sometimes required.
That sounds yummy. Enjoy. 🙂
Linguini with pesto sauce and mushrooms…. mmm…
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This has been fun to try! I’d never heard of this form before.
Glad you gave it a try! It’s touch, but can be addictive!
Well the blogs are eating comments and apparently ate mine. I finally have mine up and have forgotten what I wrote here in the first place. I’ve been enjoying the ones I’ve read so far.
It’s been happening to me too, grrr.
Well, I am really proud of the folks here. I think with this Form For All post we at dVerse have created the MOST number of Carroll square poems ever.
It’s such a tricky form that only a few people have attempted alternatives… and we’ve produced nearly 40 examples, including a couple of 7x7s, 8x8s, 9x9s and at least one 10×10. Hurray!