I once read a story about a poet who, while attending a seminar, excused himself from the morning session, explaining that he had a poem that needed work. He retired to his hotel room and spent the entire day reworking his first draft. When he rejoined his colleagues, they asked him how it went. He told them that, in the morning, he added a comma, but late in the afternoon, he removed it.
Editing is tedious, hard work. If you’ve pursued publication, no doubt you’ve invested far more time editing than writing the first draft. In my experience, by the time that I think I’m done, I have a love-hate relationship with my manuscript, blood-shot eyes and an aching back. Then I do what I think will be a final edit and find something else to change.
Writing to a prompt, we usually do so in haste. The beauty of this is that the raw emotion and creativity has a chance to bleed onto the page without obstruction. Over-editing allows the possibility of messing with the freshness of the original piece. So, like the poet mentioned in the opening paragraph, we want to avoid muddying our work. It’s a question of balance.
In my computer files, I’ve organized my poetry by the year I wrote it. However I have one file where I keep rejects. I named this file Trash or Edit There are plenty of poems there that have been previously posted on this blog. And some no one has ever seen. But I don’t delete them because, like many scenes edited out of my fiction writing, they often contain seeds of a new poem or, in the case of prose, a short story.
I’d like to offer a few tips (in no logical sequence) for you to keep in mind while editing. Some apply to prose, others to poetry—some to both. I hope you find them helpful:
- Set your manuscript or poem aside for a while so that when you return to it, you will see it with a fresh eye. Former Poet Laureat, Ted Kooser, suggests that you leave it alone until it looks as though someone else wrote it.Look for echoes—that is, a noticeable repetition of words or phrases that you did not include for a reason.
- Read your work aloud to yourself or others. You will hear and see errors in grammar, syntax and spelling. If you stumble over something, you need to look at it again
- Keep an eye out for unintentional changes in point of view, tense, and person.
- Evaluate excessive use of adjectives and adverbs. Consider if an active verb might make your writing crisper.
- Watch out for overuse of the passive voice: “This poem was edited by the teacher,” versus active voice: “The teacher edited this poem.”
- Rewrite your poem as prose (and vice versa). This can help point out things such as awkward syntax, excessive words etc.
- Read your fiction manuscript backwards—chapter for chapter–to identify if you have tied up all the loose strings, or if some part of the story line is left hanging. When I did this for my first novel, Winter is Past, I found I’d changed the name of a secondary character midway through the story.
- Evaluate your use of enjambment (line breaks). When you read it aloud, something that isn’t working just screams at you. Consider that someday you may be asked to perform your work aloud at a poetry jam or reading. It’s especially important to read form poetry aloud to hear the placement of stresses, the meter.
- Ask for help. Share with a critique group or turn to one of the skilled writers here at dVerse for suggestions. Be willing to reciprocate.
- Tighten things up. Brevity is a blessing. Stephen King, in his book “On Writing,” suggests that writers aim to reduce the size of your manuscript by 10%. This won’t work with form poetry, most likely.
There are so many other things to mention, but this is long enough. Should I edit out 10% of it? Perhaps. In the meantime, I invite you to choose a poem, even one you’ve already posted, and perform surgery…radical surgery, if needed. Take something you’ve assigned to your literal or figurative trash file and re-create it into something you will be proud to read to an audience.
I’m scrubbing, gowning and gloving. Scalpel, please.
For those new to dVerse, welcome. Here’s how to play:
- Edit your poem and post it to your website or blog. If you like, you may include the original or a link so that we can compare.
- Copy and paste the direct URL to your poem to Mr. Linky at the bottom of this post. He will ask you for your name and URL.
- Return to the pub and visit the work of your fellow poets. Leave a comment, please.
- Enjoy yourselves.
Oh, and for those of you too young to remember Captain and Tenille, here’s a link for the song: Do That to Me One More Time that is the title of this post. Okay, so I edited the lyrics a bit.
For the team at dVerse, this is Victoria–happy as always to be your bartender tonight. Check out my recent publication, “Jacaranda Rain, Collected Poems, 2012” available on Kindle. Thank you!
claudia said:
oh heck…that story with the comma…this guy had def. more patience than i have…smiles..
really cool topic victoria and really good tips as well… editing is an important part of writing poetry… not my fav though…oy…smiles but def. necessary to make our poems sparkle and shine…
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Wonderful advice, and so valid also in fiction. To meet a 100 word or 55 word exactly requires a lot of these advices. I like the advice of having a drawer of poetry to use… I must start to do that once I have inspiration enough.
Laurie Kolp said:
This is wonderful Victoria… thank you so much! It’s my son’s 12th birthday (last of 3 this month), so I will be sporadic in my comments… sorry. August is almost over. It’s nearly killed me.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Three birthdays in one month? :0)
claudia said:
nice… happy birthday to your son!!
it’s my mom’s birthday today as well…. and tomorrow the birthday of my little one…smiles
aprille said:
Ckaudia,
Virgoes on generations above and below. Interesting. Wonder what your own is and how you relate to them in accordance with the stars . Mine is this week too and I’m told I need Pisces. Who knows?
claudia said:
smiles… i’m a capricorn… and we seem to get along quite well…smiles
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Hee. I’m a Capricorn married to a Virgo. There are moments.
Mary said:
I am just reading over this conversation. Ha, it is my birthday today too. So many August birthdays, it seems.
brian miller said:
happy birthday mary!
and lauries little one!
and claudia’s mom!
and…
smiles…
whew we could be eating cake for a while…smiles.
Mary said:
Thank you, Brian! Yes, we would definitely need a big cake.
Björn Rudberg (brudberg) said:
Happy birthday Mary… 🙂
Mary said:
Thanks, Bjorn!!
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Happy Birthday, Mary!
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Thanks, Bjorn and Claudia. And welcome to everyone. I hope you enjoy making something amazing out of something you tried to hide away. I’m playing catch up, today, but will read all and edit one of my own. Have fun.
Mary said:
Wonderful article, Victoria. One to read over often. So much good information. Thank you for that.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Thank you, Mary.
Teresa said:
I am in round three of proofing galleys for my new novel. That’s after several rounds of editing, and I think I’ve hit that love-hate point. 🙂 This is a great challenge!
claudia said:
i def. get what you mean with the love-hate point…
Victoria C. Slotto said:
When hate takes over, take a break (my break with my 1st novel lasted over a year!) I ended up with major changes.
brian miller said:
ha. i hear you. best wishes on that Teresa
aprille said:
Great points, Victoria.
I shall keep those handy.
Mind you, self-surgery is hard and I don’t seem to have anybody to talk things over with. I tried it just recently and didn’t curtail enough, I’m sure. Dissatisfaction at loss of meaning made it harder. Would love to hear frank views. Maybe this prompt allows us to be a touch critical about each other’s work? Within bounds of course.
I wish that I had by poems archived so well. They are all over the shop 🙂
Thanks for this post and topic.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Smiles. Critique groups work well, Aprille, though I think it’s as important to know when NOT to take advice. My first novel took me so long because at first I paid attention to everything everyone told me. I ended up changing it from 1st person to 2nd person and it fell flat. A long time after I realized not being in the protagonist’s head just wiped out any emotion.
Actually, I archived my poems as an avoidance technique. I was putting off editing the poetry book!!! But it’s been useful.
Glenn Buttkus said:
Happy hugs to Laurie & Claudia, with kudos & thanks to Victoria for reminding us that the visceral nature of responding to a prompt can lead us to being a bit blind to the changes we discover we need later. I blue pencil twice before I type it up, but as you pointed out, it’s not until I am taping the recitation of the piece do I find the subtle errors and needed amendments.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Hey, I want hugs, too!
brian miller said:
yeah, what the heck brother…i am not afraid of a man hug either…
smiles.
brian miller said:
ha. all day on a comma…oh my….
editing is in many ways the necessary evil…but is huge in honing in those pieces…great exercise v….
i am between meetings so i will be late getting to everyone but i will be around…smiles.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I’m thinking that story is a bit of a literary myth, but it does make a point I suppose.
howanxious said:
It is necessary to edit our creations. But I am really lazy in that regard. Now that I’m editing my short-story anthology, I am hardly able to give my time to it.
Thank you for the suggestions. I will keep them in mind.
For now, I have edited a poem, I wrote in June. It has come out to be quite clumsy though.
I started working on it as soon as I woke up. Now I gotta go brush my teeth. I will be back to read everyone’s edit, in a while.
Have a good time!
claudia said:
ha smiles… the best poetry in history was written with unbrushed teeth…probably…smiles
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Maybe lazy, but sometimes it’s hard to part ways with some of our “brilliant” words or phrases.
Gay said:
I doubt I produced anything “amazing”; however I tried to clean up a poem I wrote really quickly (and which I think held some promise) for my article on rhyme. I left most of the rhymes in tact, but tried to freshen the language, and make the contrasts deeper. It is a ballad form so I was stuck with abab and iambic tetrameter. So let me know what you think. Editing is extremely difficult for me and I usually wonder if I didn’t make it worse instead of better.
claudia said:
that’s a good point gay… sometimes – if i spend too much time editing – the poem seems to be overworked and feels artificial.. in such cases i usually let it sit a bit to disconnect emotionally
Victoria C. Slotto said:
It’s really hard to edit a form, I think. But the process of creating it kind of makes the edit happen as you go along, I suspect.
Susan said:
Forgive me, Victoria and those who have read my poem “Revision” before. I couldn’t resist. I was astounded to find I needed to change a word from “night” to “day.” I think without that change the temp makes no sense. Seriously, I am a fan of your tips for revision. I often post rough drafts here, but only as if sharing with friends as doing so actually helps me rewrite.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I found some of those kind of edits, too…things I thought made sense first go around that absolutely didn’t. I’ll be back to read in a few. I’m starving :0)
claudia said:
smiles… enjoy dinner victoria
Victoria C. Slotto said:
It was lunch!!! Ah, the time difference is so confusing. :0)
Gabriella said:
Great article Victoria with lots of interesting tips. I am sure we can all find some that work for us. I like the idea of the Trash or Edit file.
claudia said:
yes, it’s a cool idea.. i have a workfile poetry on my computer which is just a pages document actually – but all poem scraps go in there, some sink to the bottom, some make it up to page 1 again and others get deleted finally… it lives…smiles
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Glad it’s helpful to you, Gabriella. I could go on and on.
claudia said:
ok – bedtime for me over here – it’s my daughter’s birthday tomorrow and she has to get up at 4 for her holiday job… so i wanna be there to kiss her once she wakes… smiles
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Such a good Mom.
Miss Hannah said:
Hello Miss Victoria! Yippy ! Your post is great! I can use all kinds of tips from a-z! so this is perfect for me:) Thank You!
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Thanks Miss Hannah. That could be a fun book. Editing from A-to-Z. Hmmmm.
Ruth said:
One thing I find difficult is to reject a poem I’ve spent some time drafting and start from scratch again – easy enough to throw away the paper it’s written on, not so easy to erase it from the mind… but I do manage sometimes to do it for what ends up (imo) a much better poem. That being said, I edit pretty much nonstop (in my mind if not on paper), even after it’s posted (or submitted).
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Don’t ever throw them away. You never know when they might be useful…even one phrase that inspires a whole new poem.
charliezero1.wordpress.com said:
Read your work aloud to yourself or others. You will hear and see errors in grammar, syntax and spelling. If you stumble over something, you need to look at it again
This is how I always work with basic understanding of my own work. I do a lot of my editing, I let no one touch or edit my poems. My style for editing was inspired by watching a lot of “Stanley Kubrick” movies. He made it all possible for me to push myself and evolve with my writing. Writing the beginning of a story is easy for me, assembling the middle of a paragraph is easy, but the ending is the most interesting and telling stories of all time. You can tell yourself in the end that your poems/stories/prose have become a masterpiece.
🙂
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Very good point. I also self-edit my poetry but welcome input. But it’s so important that you have the last word.
charliezero1.wordpress.com said:
Wonderful. 🙂
brian miller said:
charlie…you got something for us?
clementsgeoff said:
This is a poem that appeared over two days. I have not had the time to reflect that you wisely suggest ; But there is an urgency that impelled me to post it now……It is easy to forget Syria’s heritage, though people are much more important, in the context of history what is happening now is all the more appalling.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Definitely an urgency. Very timely, Geoff.
clementsgeoff said:
Thanks for your thoughts, Victoria
clementsgeoff said:
Not a revision, rather a reworking, just missed the deadline! Comments very welcome
http://clementsgeoff.com/2013/08/31/all-the-worlds-a-stage/
Glenn Buttkus said:
Ironically, Victoria, after you commented that you enjoyed the Collum Lune 3-line stanzas in my piece, I went over it one more time, and hey, I discovered one stanza in the middle with 5 lines….what the hell. I figured out that was where the “Pages” Word document broke the line between pages. I just kept plowing on on page 2, not realizing that there were only two lines on the last stanza of page 1, and the word processing had just combined them. So I toyed with the notion that I could defend a solitary 5-line stanza poetically, and then just went back in and edited the second page again, adding one more 3-word line to the end of the piece. Artistically, the last line had already been implied, but I brought it to language regardless. How kind of you not to make a fuss at my oversight.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Truly, I didn’t notice it. I think I was more wrapped up in the meaning and just perceived it to be all 3 lines. What counts, in my opinion, is the whole banana.
Maggie Grace said:
Great advice. I do that for short stories but pretty much leave my “poetry” alone, though I read it to hubby and catch some things reading it out loud…what doesn’t flow right. Already had what I wrote in my head circling around before your post so it’s just there. Stream of consciousness, no form, no rhyme. Pure Maggie Grace. *snork* Probably most won’t get the Bullwinkle reference but it fit.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I think we all have editing styles that meet our needs. When I write fiction, I edit as I go along. When I return to write the next day, I edit what I wrote the day before. Then at the end, do however many I need to. Actually, the same with poetry. My note book is all scratched up. Other like to race through it and do all the editing at the end so they don’t lose the flow. Whatever works best for a person is the key.
lovemorestudio said:
Great topic and post, Victoria– you’ve given some wonderful advice that I will definitely use! Peace, Jason
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Thanks, Jason. I guess editing is a bit like what Ansel Adams, and I suppose, you, apply to photography.
lovemorestudio said:
All the time! 🙂
Grace said:
Thank you for the pointers and post Victoria ~ Might use this for my next OLN ~
I have been away on business conference in Ottawa and just got back, so I am unable to post & visit ~
Wishing you all a lovely night/day ~
brian miller said:
hiya grace…small heart attack not having heard back from you…smiles….
hope the trip was well and glad to see you
Grace said:
smiles back ~ thank you for thoughtful message Brian ~ the trip was fine but its good to be back home ~
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Life gets in the way. Hope you enjoyed the conference, Grace.
ramblingsfromamum said:
Welcome back Grace – I wondered where you had gone 🙂
ManicDdaily said:
Wonderful topic, Victoria – I was quite busy today, but I thought of a poem that I’d like to work on so will try to do tomorrow. Thanks, victoria.
brian miller said:
cool. look forward to it k…i had pulled out the second poem i ever wrote and was going to have a go at it…it needed a major overhaul though…ha….
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I’ll look forward to that, Karin.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I’m caught up through 21. Hope there are more tomorrow! Now I’ve got to watch the 2nd half of the 49’ers! Colin Kaepernick–UNR Grad!
Imelda said:
Thanks for the tips. 🙂
Victoria C. Slotto said:
You’re welcome, Imelda
I HAVE A VOICE said:
Wonderful info, start-up! Love Kooser! Adore your book, too! Thank you for these marvelous prompt/ideas! Blessings dear~ Debbie
Victoria C. Slotto said:
To you, also, Debbie.
Tony Maude said:
Editing is something that I usually do as I go along – although not always – as I try to pick the right words and put them into the right places. Allowing pieces time to mature is good advice – as is reading them aloud to see if/where they cause us to stumble.
Tony Maude said:
I just remembered that I meant to say that sometimes in editing it is the addition of a phrase or detail that can make all the difference. For example, it is hard to engage with a character always refered to as (s)he. GIve them a name and everything changes.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I’ve mentioned that in some of my comments. Sometimes it is expansion that makes a poem come alive. Thanks for bringing that up here, Tony.
ramblingsfromamum said:
Excellent post Victoria – ah such is the life of a poet – knowing when to cull.. for words spew forth and it’s so difficult at times to reign them in, interesting points you have made though – thank you.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
You’re so welcome, Jenny.
shanyns said:
What a truly interesting challenge Victoria. I find most of my poems come to me very close to fully formed. Will go back to some earlier work and see about doing an update! Will post and comment later tomorrow as we are heading out for a little road trip!
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Have fun!
margaret said:
Love this challenge – I almost think I’d rather rhyme (and THAT is torture enough). edit, edit, edit… yes, it is good for you – but getting there is torture. 🙂
margaret said:
Will be back later this evening to comment as I am off to the horse barn before the kids get back from school 🙂
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Enjoy those beautiful animals. We have horses in our neighborhood…they are so special.
tigerbrite said:
I am in the middle of editing so can very much identify with your post:) A useful tip I did not know was to read the work backwards, I will try it thanks.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Hope it’s helpful for you, tiger.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I’m back on the trail. Good morning all…though I’m sure it’s past morning for most of you.
ManicDdaily said:
Hi Victoria — I found this very hard but it’s because of the poem I chose, no doubt. Something from almost another lifetime. Anyway, enjoyed the exercise. Thanks much. I’ve been very slow visiting, but hope to catch up over weekend. k.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
That poem deserved every ounce of love you put into the edit, Karin.
grapeling said:
Victoria, editors are the Bane to every poet’s Batman.
And editing should be like children: seen and not heard. Or is that scene and not herd?
Happy birthdays all around – may ice cream be in your immediate vicinity.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
I like scene and herd!
LaTonya M. Baldwin said:
LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Life has been nuts so I’ve been absent but can you tell how happy I am to read your post. So glad on this Saturday I have time to take this all in and to read. Thank you so much.
Victoria C. Slotto said:
Thank you, LaTonya. I’ll be back to read soon. I have to garden before it gets too hot and before the smoke rolls in from the Yosemite fire!
margaret said:
Finished visiting the poets here. This was a fun prompt – IMO should become a regular feature as I feel we all have poems that need revision/editing. I know my “drawer” is full 🙂