Welcome all. It is with regret that I must announce this will be my last session with d’Verse Poets’ Pub; sadly stressful offline life is forcing me to cut down my commitments. I’ll still be around and writing poetry though, so this is not goodbye from me so much as from Meeting the Bar: Critique and Craft. Next week sees Gay Cannon’s excellent FormForAll in its usual place. And Replacing my biweekly slot? I’ll leave that announcement up to Brian and Claudia. You can be sure it’ll be something equally edifying and enjoyable.
My tack this week is a little different: below I take a closer look at a poem by Frankie Guerrero-O’Neil she has kindly allowed me to critique publicly. I want to expressly emphasise ways into offering a little critique in this, the final session, so that we can really begin to step out into helpfully honest/critical commentary, daunting as it may seem initially. I will not have a team of critiquers with me, and I become a participant in the same way you do, offering shorter constructive comments. I chose this poem because it is the type quite likely to be seen amongst our blogosphere community: free verse (but with some aural devices, for example rhyme/alliteration), and in quatrains (four-line stanzas), which are by far the most common, even in free verse.
I Will – Frankie Guerrero-O’Neil
Within a lucid dream
I appear
peering through
diaphanous fabric
perpetual softness
whispy waves of energy
permeate, resonate
in and all around
There in a bold hold
of my breath and
no fear of death
you stand.
Inside the house of said divinity
nestled in the dusty ground
in the indian summer
we said ‘I will’
There is a soft, supple mood created in your poem above, Frankie. I don’t think it needs too much tweaking. If it were mine, I’d drop the first two lines. The piece feels very dream-like anyway, so in my opinion, it overcooks it somewhat. I‘d change ‘in’ to ‘of’ in S4L3 (stanza four, line three). A couple of punctuation adjustments/additions here and there are needed also. ‘No fear of death’ (S3L4) – I’m not sure of its relevance, and it seems a little overstated.
Do you need ‘in and all around’ (S2L4)? ‘permeate, resonate’ already infer this (and in a more poetic and succinct manner). Is there another way that doesn’t directly mention ‘death’ and the fear of it?
I’d be inclined to drop ‘said’ from ‘said divinity’; what do you mean by that? Where has it been mentioned previously that would qualify the word ‘said’? It seems to come from nowhere, though nicely phrased.
Lots I like about this poem Frankie; opening and closure in particular are excellent. ‘diaphanous’ is one of my favourite words. ‘indian summer’ reference is a nice touch, rather than coming off as cliché. (Do you need caps there? i.e. ‘Indian Summer’?). It’s a fine piece.
Added ’embrace and infuse’ as a suggestion to flesh out the quatrain (four-line stanza) and fill the gap cutting ‘in and all around’ leaves (S2L4). Rephrased ‘fear of death’ stanza somewhat (S3). All merely suggestions of course, to be taken or left as you feel appropriate. Some added punctuation, as mentioned further up. (Minor point – ‘whispy’ spelled ‘wispy’ (S2L2)).
Peering through
diaphanous fabric,
perpetual softness;
wispy waves of energy
permeate, resonate,
embrace and infuse.
Holding breath,
fear dissipates;
by my side
you stand.
Inside the house of divinity,
nestled in the dusty ground
,
in the Indian Summer
we said, ‘I will’.
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I now invite you all to link a poem using Mr Linky below, freshly-written, or perhaps an old one you feel needs some work, and to try your hand at not only receiving critique, but in giving it too. Even just a line – expressed however you feel, or can – pointing to an aspect/point of phrasing you feel could be improved on. Maybe there’s an overall point you’d like to make.
I ask this week that those linking up take the plunge and offer some constructive/more analytical feedback on at least two pieces: the one in front, and the one behind. Remember that poets will come expecting and wanting critique; it’s unlikely you will hurt any feelings. If crit feels beyond your reach at this point, today’s session is not for you. As mentioned earlier, I will not have a team of critiquers giving lengthy feedback on every piece. Today we all learn from, and help, one another in a creative, collaborative environment.
Here again are my basic tips and protocol to bear in mind when offering constructive criticism; the example I gave above should help too. Feel free to use my approach/phrasing, etc. as template if you want to.
- Use tact, always.
- Double-check with yourself that you really aren’t ‘precious’ about the poem you have brought along to be scrutinized. Know that all critique is meant in the best interests of the poem, and never directed at the poet personally. We say we ‘leave our egos at the door’.
- State your points as opinion, never fact. If it helps you to do this, use the term ‘in my opinion’, or even ‘in my humble opinion’ (IMO/IMHO).
- Be as objective as possible in terms of the poem/poet at hand, and though a poem may not appeal taste-wise, stay open to merits it may have (such as original metaphor, or clever wordplay).
- Be honest. If you see an area you feel is weak/could be improved on, call it. Similarly, pointing out the strengths of a poem is also constructive. Perhaps put why you thought it didn’t work, or why it did; this is even more helpful.
- The ‘Sandwich Technique’ – I find this very useful. It’s simple: start with what you thought worked/what you liked, move on to aspects you felt could be improved on, and finish with an encouraging comment that extrapolates the positives to encompass the poem as a whole.
Luke i want to thank you for all you’ve done so far at dVerse…with your excellent work you made constructive crit something natural and desirable…i don’t need to tell you how much you will be missed but of course i understand that there are times when we have to think about priorities…glad you will be still around as you’ve become a dear friend and a teacher and poet i learned to respect…and you know that the doors are always wide open for you..
Thank you Claudia, that means so much. It’s like a family here and you leaving teh door ajar is a good feeling at a sad time. Thank you
Always leave the door cracked. In fact, just throw open all the windows as well so that you’re free to go wherever you please whenever you choose.
I’ll bear it in mind!
Luke,
You have done such a fantastic thing by introducing constructive critique into the realm of commenting. I have learned so much from you and although I know the effort involved, will miss your sessions.
I’ve linked an Octain Refrain titled Prosper’s Code, written both to honor a poet that recently passed away but also those poets who want to know where they can improve. Prosper was a wonderful poet who believed that praise was good but honesty was respected.
The form is one invented by Luke. xx
Thank you so much.
Beth
Beth thank you. I’m touched, and it’s nice to see that the Octain is still alive and well. The poet you speak of who passed away I assume you mean literally? I didn’t know him/her, good that you honour them here. Thank you
Yes, Prosper passed in his sleep on Saturday night. He shared beautiful poetry and had the attitude of both an avid teacher and student. He would have loved the Crit and Craft.
Thank you, Luke.
Thank you so much Luke (and to your team) for your crit and suggestions.
I have personally gained a lot from the sessions including reading your comments on the posts of others. When I am reviewing my work now, I keep thinking of your scissors sniping here and there. Just wanted to let you know that the (short) time you shared here is very much appreciated.
The best of luck to you ~
Thank you Heaven, your words are much appreciated my friend. I’m sure I’ll see you around though 🙂
I know how difficult this decision has been for you Luke. I think the huge success of this fortnightly slot is testament to your talent as a poet and your willingness to give so freely of your time and knowledge of the craft. Your unstinting honesty has enabled so many poets to grow and hone their skills and I hope those that have benefited from this will now share that knowledge within their poetic communities. With this in mind I’m linking a poem about new beginnings, Julie
Thank you Carys. And your help has been greatly appreciated
I can understand your quandary, Luke… you’ll be missed, but not neglected.
Thank you Laurie. Don’t be a stranger now!
Thank you for the time and energy you’ve devoted here. I participated once before but the time commitment was overwhelming and I didn’t have near the job you and your helpers had so I can imagine this was difficult. I run a small company with only one part time helper so I couldn’t make that kind of time commitment again. Thank you for indicating we don’t need to read everyone’s post in case 50+ poets arrive like the first time I tried it. Like Heaven I’ve read your comments and the dVerse posts and appreciate all the helpful advice you’ve offered.
Thanks for that, Anna. You can of course comment on just a couple (with some mind to offer critique), but yes, it’s more than the usual blog commentary indeed
This is my first time posting for Critique and Craft. I guess it’s also my last unless someone else steps up to take Luke’s place. Anyway, I posted the link to a poem I wrote for my blog for today. I’ve critiqued the poem before mine and will critique the one after when it’s posted. This is kind of fun and I’m looking forward to feedback on my poem so I can make it even better. Peace, Linda
Oh, Luke! It seems like whenever I get back into the swing you are off. Will miss you, but hope things go well and that we’ll see you back here soon.
Thanks for all that you put out there and share.
Much appreciated.
JamieDedes
It’s true! Nothing to do with you Jamie, honest! hehe. I will be around. Maybe come have a look on the discussion board, that is continual constructive feedback and you’d be welcome. d’Verse here offer several events per week, I hope you stick around 🙂
I’m just joining the poetry club, and it’s clear I’ve really missed out on getting to know you. I hope our window is still open.
Sure. d’Verse is still just warming up… several events per week here. Hopefully I’ll be back but whatever, Thursdays/Fridays will be the form/crit/craft/learning side of it.
I am desolated Luke that you are leaving as my “other half”; but I am confident that the world is turning and we will all move in surprising new directions. I’m wishing you the balm that comes in the temperate seasons, and the beauty that is autumn will wash over you giving you renewed vigor. Thanks for your unstinting devotion to this artform we all love!
I’m linking a poem I wrote week before last and posted on my blog so many of you read it then; but I want this poem to be really fine so let me know your ideas about it and if and where it needs change.
In England it’s always temperate… yes sad to be going, Gay, hoping I can return at some point. Maybe that sonnet guest form slot could be done sometime… 😉
Love and thanks for all you do and your support my friend xx
Hello Luke
I am glad that I managed to catch you on your last ‘assignment’ for dVerse. I enjoy reading your poetry and I am glad I will continue to receive email intimations of your new poems 🙂 I wish you all the best and I hope all will be well with you.
Thank you very much.
Padmavani
And thanks to you for your participation and appreciation. It is we, all of us who make these events/memes what they are. Thanks Padmavani
thank you, Luke, for all of the effort you’ve put in here and your encouragement of fellow poets. i understand life getting in the way ~ i don’t think i will have time to do even two critiques so will not submit anything unless i find some extra time somewhere. {it doesn’t sound like you have any to spare.}
as much as your presence here on staff at the Pub will be missed, it’s good to know that you’ll still be around and writing. see you later. {smile}
Thanks Dani, very much appreciate your words and well wishes my friend
Luke—
I know that this decision was one of great difficulty for you. Your dedication to the craft of poetry and the unselfish manner in which you share your unique talent for mentoring writers… is unparalleled. You have expanded my knowledge of writing/critiquing poetry more than I could have ever imagined when we met a year ago. I am continually inspired by your poetic genius (we can argue about that word later) and your innate sense of pure artistry. It is more than apparent that your natural leadership skills, as well as your desire to aid writers with the honing of this craft, is very much appreciated by all who have had the good fortune to interact in this forum (in such a healthy and honest fashion.) It will be a joy (and you should be proud) to see these writers set forth and share their newfound critiquing skills with other poets. I am linking one of my early poems– the first of mine that you ever commented on. All the best to you my friend, always… xC.
Thank you my dear friend, that means a lot xx
Sorry to see this go, though I do understand about commitments. I am fairly new here, and even in that short time I have benefited from your words of wisdom, and those of others who participated. You have enabled me to work on a lot of pieces that were ‘stuck’, beyond what I’ve shared here, even things that were pretty much discarded years ago. I’m very grateful.
Thank you for your kind words snaky. d’Verse will continue to offer such things though, and I won’t be gone from blogging 🙂
Hello Luke
I am pleased I have an opportunity to submit a poem for critique and am glad I managed to catch you on your final ‘assignment’ at Meeting the Bar. I will continue to read your poetry which gets delivered to my email and wish you the best and hope all will be well with you.
Warm wishes and take care
Padmavani
Thanks Luke for all the time and expertise you’ve shared with us all. Reading your take on things never fails to teach me something. I hope life in the real world settles down for you, and things get less frazzled and easier. You’ve helped a lot of people begin to learn the skills we all need to make our work the best we can, in just a few sessions. Thanks for all the hard work, the concern, and the clear vision you always show us. Best of luck to you going forward, and we definitely will leave one of the back windows open, just in case you want to sneak back in.
Thank you Joy… that means a great deal to me, my sister of the pen xx
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Hope to still see you around Luke. I posted a poem I wrote for Bluebell books last week. I wrote it in a hurry, so it would be a good poem to critique.
I’m doing smaller critiques this week, I hope it was useful. I didn’t line-by-line it. Yes you’ll see me around! Cheers
just read through the comments and it’s so good to see how much you honor and value Luke’s work…also good to see that you’re visiting each other, leaving thoughtful and detailed comments and i really think Luke did some trailblazer work here and we have to think now how to walk wisely on it…
will leave the trail for today though, heading to bed and hope to visit some of you in the morning…
Thanks for the help Cloudy
I entered on I just wrote and received a lot of attention, I am not sure it was the supject madder or the actualy poem. I will be interested in Luke’s comments. He made some great suggestions the last time he looked at one of my poems. Anticipating the worst, hoping the for best.
I cannot play until later tonight. Most will be sleeping but maybe we can catch up tomorrow. Looking forward to some great reads.
later tonite is good. I’ll be in bed soon (I’m in the UK)
Thanks for the opportunity to submit a poem for others to critique. I’ve submitted an intensely personal piece, which perhaps leaves me vulnerable, but which may perhaps, give me encouragement to write more poems which express my very deepest emotions.
Here’s the link: http://bit.ly/ewKtma
I look forward to reading and commenting on the work of others.
Kind regards to all, James.
cool James, thanks
Thanks Luke for the couple of tweeks. I did change trusting to closing. Thank you once again for your observations with meter. You are a Champ!
glad I could be of service
Thanks Luke for doing all this. Sorry to hear you’ve got to be leaving – and just when I’ve actually started to take this more seriously and knuckling down on constructive criticism. I also wanted to say thanks, as I actually feel like I’m learning more myself just from critiquing in more detail. I’m sure the community will sorely miss your leading hand.
cheers Pervagus. Yes over 50% of what I learn is thru reading and commenting on others, not writing and being commented on
Luke,
Thanks for all the valuable information regarding critiquing and form. You have begun to blaze the trail for so many… pointing us in the right direction. Sorry that things have brought you to the need for this decision, you shall be greatly missed.
However, definitely look forward to seeing you from time to time.
Thanks again,
Petrina
you’re welcome. Thanks for your well wishes
Thank you, Luke, for leaving us with your encouragement and some tools to guide us to give critique diplomatically.
Gayle ~
and thank you for participating here at d’Verse
So much to learn and so few have time to instruct.
Thank you for all of the time you have invested critiquing.
I linked in a poem for critique–thank you!
just thought i’m sneaking in to say good morning, wash some glasses, put fresh flowers in the vase, enjoy the smell of poetry and friendship hanging in the air…sigh…
my hair are still wet from the shower and laptop in hand…heading for work but back during lunch break to read and visit..
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Alright seriously, this is sad news. I joined the Pub because of this Critique post specifically, and am still getting familiar with the other facets of the Pub. I’m really sorry it is not going to continue: my first read at this space made me Tweet and Facebook and email the advice like crazy…. I was impressed as I was learning the same thing at a poetry workshop I had been attending.
So I hope that life gives u a break and u come back man 🙂
Thanks for an awesome introduction into a great community…
Will send another poem for critique as per this post’s focus…
cheers bajanpoet – there will always be a learning slot on a Thursday going over into Friday here at d’Verse.
When it comes to the mechanics of poetry, Luke has been an excellent guide since I started reading and blogging over a year ago, showing me unknown forms and encouraging me to rewrite poems by endlessly rewriting his own, just to see what they can be.
I didnt think I could critique, but I have actually found it enjoyable.
Thank you. I’m sad you cant continue, but your influence on the community is obvious and a gift you have given…
thank you Evelyn xx
Hi Luke, I linked a poem which you’ve seen in both foms, pre-crit and after-crit.
What you offer to poetry and those who write it is beyond crit. It is time (your time) and appreciation for the other’s work. I am grateful to have met you and to have received your time and your precious advice. I still look forward to see more of you around, even if it’s not here 🙂 Thank you.
thanks Aida, very kind of you to say that
Luke, love you brother. You have been invaluable with the launch of dVerse and with opening our eyes to critique as a tool in our poetic belts. Know you will still be around…but you will be missed…until once more you race these pages…cause I know it will happen when the time is right. Prayers to you in all that you face.
sorry I am late, but just coming up for air after a couple days vacay…