This is Frank Hubeny hosting Meeting the Bar. The topic is prose poetry. Samuel Peralta has done this topic before. To see how he viewed it check out: https://dversepoets.com/2014/01/30/form-for-all-prosepoetry/
I asked someone once who studied Literature what prose poetry was. He told me prose poetry didn’t exist. He explained that all good prose was already written poetically and if one really wanted poetry all one had to do was (salt and) pepper it with line breaks.
That answer seemed too simple, but maybe he was right. So, the current challenge is to write no more than three paragraphs, on any topic, that you would consider to be prose poetry or to write a poem explaining why prose poetry doesn’t exist.
I assume, perhaps naively, that a prose poem uses fewer line breaks than one would use in free verse. I assume its content is less like a narrative than flash fiction. I assume it doesn’t rhyme nor does it have a metrical rhythm like formal poetry. A haibun, as a mixture of prose and poetry, could be considered a prose poem.
For an example of prose poetry, Charles Baudelaire’s 19th century work, “Paris Spleen” comes to mind. Here is “Be Drunk”:
Some think Kahlil Gibran’s “The Prophet” is a collection of prose poems. Here is “On Love” read by Dorna Djenab:
For someone more contemporary, here is a performance of Lang Leav’s “Broken Heart”.
Based on these examples I like to think a prose poem is something so well written someone would want to make a YouTube video performing it for its own sake.
In summary, here’s the challenge again: Write a prose poem on any topic of at most three paragraphs. Or, write a poem showing why prose poetry doesn’t exist.
When you have written and posted your poem or prose poem, link it up on Mr Linky. Visit other poets to see how they handled the challenge and comment. Also leave a comment below. Maybe you know other good examples of prose poems to bring to our attention in the comments below.
Welcome to Meeting the Bar. I am looking forward to reading your poems or prose poems.
Welcome Frank… so glad to have you behind the bar.
Welcome to being part of the D’verse hosts ~
Thanks, Björn and Grace!
Welcome Frank to do your first as permanent bartender… I do love prose poetry, and I actually see very little difference between prose and poetry…
My prose has meter, rhymes, repetitions, alliterations… at least sometimes… this reminds me of Love in the time of the Cholera, where Florentino Ariza never could write a business letter because they all where like love poems… but the only successful love letter he ever wrote to Fermina Daza was written as a business letter.
I like it also. I was surprised when I heard someone who I thought new more about this than I did tell me prose poetry didn’t exist. Maybe it doesn’t?
Interesting that Ariza’s most successful love letter was written as a business letter.
Good evening Frank and all you wonderful poets propping up the bar today! I’m in the process of entering the first 2000 words of a novel in a competition, so I won’t be able to imbibe with you for very long, as I’m writing a 200 word bio and then I have to fill in the rest of the form. I’m looking forward to reading some fab prose poems – whatever is on now and the rest tomorrow. Have a great rest of the day/evening!
Best wishes, Kim…in the competition. To me, you are always a winner! 🙂
Thank you so much Lillian! That is so kind.
I hope your novel wins the competition, Kim. Writing 2000 words would be challenging for me and those novels are a lot longer than that. I don’t see how people can write that much. But clearly they can.
I have recently written a short story of 5000 words… and it goes quicker than you think.
I have tried writing longer prose, but I stop before I get too far and then I don’t finish it. One of the nice things about prose poetry is that it is short (or it is expected to be short). I can see the end at the time I start writing it.
Luckily I have a lot more than 2000 in total. That’s the maximum word count for submission. My first chapter is not quite 2000 and I have written 9 chapters already, The competition is for a place on a 9 month ‘talent development scheme’ with mentoring, a series of development opportunities, talks and workshops as part of a residential retreat, and taking part in a final showcase. Luckily it’s local – in Norwich – part of Writers’ Centre Norwich at Dragon Hall. I wrote a poem about Dragon Hall for Halloween and it’s a wonderful place to write, full of character and history, especially for ghost story writers!
I have read that a typical adult novel is 80,000 words. A place called “Dragon Hall” sounds like it would be ideal for Halloween and ghost stories.
So nice to see you hosting, Frank! A small book my son gave me several years ago, introduced me to prose poetry: Secrets from the Center of the World, Volume 17, Sun Tracks (An American Indian Literary Series) by poet Joy Harjo with photos by Stephen Strom. It is an absolutely magical little book. So taking my hint from this book, I offer my post. Although I’m quite certain it will never be read for YouTube! 🙂
Mine won’t be read on YouTube either (unless I’m the one reading it), but you never know what might happen. I’ll put Joy Harjo’s book on a list I have in a spreadsheet for future reading.
Thanks for hosting Frank ~ Wow, that last video though is very moving ~
Prose poem is so close to poetry than a straight up essay prose ~ I enjoy reading them especially in novels as its more colorful and imaginative ~
I found Lang Leav’s book, “Love & Misadventures”, in the local library over a year ago. I couldn’t forget it and so I was glad to find an example of her prose poetry on YouTube to use as an example.
Stunning prompt.
Thank you! I initially thought it was no prompt at all, since it seemed to include everything, but it might require a slight change of perspective, just a nudge to do something differently.
Having a go at this one, Frank and finding it’s more or less like writing prose.
It seems like writing prose to me as well perhaps like a long post to a thread that I revise more often than I’m used to to make sure it sounds just right.
Reading aloud helps. It has to ‘sound’ right.
Sometimes I record what I wrote and put it on SoundCloud to make sure it sounds right.
Good idea.
Hi Frank, and it is great that you are hosting!
I never know what quite to make of (some) prose poetry as I find some, not all, quite pretentious.
That said, I do find poetic beauty in many the spoken and written word, and am certain I shall find the same beauty as I read through others poems.
Kind regards
Anna :o]
I agree with you about the pretentiousness. I used to think Gibran’s poetry was pretentious, or rather sentimental, although I think better of it now. It is why I included one of his pieces as an example since my mind changed about his writing.
My favorite kind of poetry (hmm, or is it prose?) to write. I’m on baby duty now, but look forward to reading all of your work.
I enjoyed reading your link and I’m looking forward to reading more of your writing.
Welcome Frank–we appreciate you stepping up to staff member, Your challenge for us is one of my biggest joys. Like Bjorn, I’ve aways felt that good prose could/should be poetic. Poetry, as an art form, especially today, transcends mere classical form, and embraces prose–nor longer treating it as a stepchild. I have amazed friends by taking a paragraph or two of their prose, and reshaping it as poetry. So once the words move around on the page, where new line breaks change the emphasis, the same well-written words morph into a poetic vein. So your friend is both right and wrong. I agree that the Haibun form is exquisite prose poetry, and is now my favorite, go-to, most accessible preferred form. Of course, dVerse has taught me, allowed me to tinker with it, add more haiku, change the shapes of the paragraphs, make lists, refrains, & internal rhyme schemes.
The haibun is a kind of prose poetry (or prose and poetry). Sometimes I have seen stories and chapters of books start with a short poem or a quote which reminds me of the haibun approach.
Thanks for hosting Frank. I have submitted a section from a piece of prose i wrote some while back. I have re written it to work more in harmony with the prompt…at least I hope. I’m flying to Barcelona tomorrow so off to sleep. I will catch up on comments at the airport. Night all.
I hope you enjoy Barcelona. You provided a nice introduction to Amiri Baraka. I have not heard of him before. I will look for some of his writing.
I recommend you tube so you can listen. Search for somebody blew up america.
I listened to one of the many versions on YouTube. One of the “who” questions near the end stands out for me: “who knew the trade center was going to get bombed?”
Thank you Frank, I enjoyed this prompt! On first read I didn’t feel drawn to it, but glad I gave it a try. 🙂
I’m glad you gave it a try. You gave a positive perspective on a shattered heart that got me thinking differently about that. This shattered heart seems to be the result of strong empathy toward others which is a good thing.
Great prompt. I won’t have time to address it. By my post back here (click this link) addresses the principles behind your question.
Good points in your post. I agree with the following when you write: “we humans make meaning and it is constantly being negotiated.” Some of the quotes I found interesting as well, in particular, Sandburg’s “Poetry is an echo, asking a shadow to dance.” I haven’t heard that one before.
Well, way longer than 3 paragraphs, so I won’t blame you if you delete the post, Frank. But thanks for the inspiration, nonetheless ~
I enjoyed your prose poem. I am glad you liked the prompt. I may not have addressed the question you raised at the end about why someone continues to read something. I have stopped reading many things that I’ve started.
LOVE this, Frank. I have no real opinion on this…am here to learn, but I did manage to post something today that is only two stanzas! And I am assured that it is prose/poetry. Live and Learn! LOL~!
I don’t have any opinion on prose poetry either, but it is an excuse to write something shifting one’s perspective a bit. I liked Plum Blossom Snow and the prose introduction to it. The prose and poetry becomes a prose poem, whatever that may be.
Yes, Frank. It ain’t rocket science. I believe that prose poetry is prose with the right combinations….that segues into poetry easily. This issue of parataxis, and an applied sentiment? Don’t know, but I think we all do it. And that is good.
I consider something to be a prose poem if the author says it’s a prose poem, but that is like giving up on trying to understand what it is.
Yes and no. Some people put up crap and call it prose poem but it has to have something specific to the animal. This parataxis, the sentiment, something…that ‘elevates’ it above just prose…but we won’t solve this on dverse. I think it’s deeper than what is possible for discussion here. Life and prompts move on….
Anxious to read the other poems, so I’ll get on with it!!!
I liked the remembrance of your mother and how you were the guide rope between your mother and the ocean.
My mother retained a childlike nature, even though I grew up in an age when parents didn’t play with their kids. We played more after I grew up.
I am glad you got the chance when you were older to play with her.
Me, too.
As a fiction writer, I want to believe that really good prose is poetic. This has been a crazy month for me with visitors but I will try hard to write something tomorrow, Frank. I love the prompt.
I am glad you liked the prompt, Victoria. I agree that really good prose is poetic.
I’ve often struggled to distinguish between prose poetry, flash fiction and poetry more generally. I won’t have time to contribute, sadly, but I will be checking to see what the others have come up with and try and learn. Great prompt!
I am glad you stopped by and liked the prompt. I can’t distinguish them either.
OK. I did it. Interesting prompt. I’m not sure what the difference between a prose poem and a poem is, but whatever I did seems quite different to what I normally do.
I don’t know the difference between a poem and a prose poem either. I like the focus and excuse prompts give me to complete another poem. Thanks for participating!
Did some research and played with definitions. What a unique and challenging challenge – enjoyed being stretched – thank you
I just read your prose poem. I think you’ve shown by example that prose poetry is possible.
writing prose needs a rhythm to me and sometimes I go over a story and see a break in the lyrical I have to get the tempo back again, shift some words, keeping the meaning just keeping the melody. I am drawn to poetry in writing. It has to flow and sit with my soul. enjoying the discussions that come out of here on this. prose poetry is something new however so have to ruminate on it a bit more.
I tend to prefer poetry also. With prose, I sense too many breaks in the tempo in what I write. I can always cover that up with meter and rhyme in poetry. However, I think one can make prose poetry work.
Would you have an example of prose poetry? I am not really sure if I have read one before. I read more about Meter and rhyme but not sure how it applies, but I continue to learn from some really good poets here. I am still the baby in all this!
The three YouTube videos above give some examples of what I would call good prose poetry. Prose would be giving the reader information or telling a story. Prose poetry would be appealing more to the readers’ emotions while it gives that information. A politician’s or advertiser’s speech tries to do something similar. If one is looking for bad prose poetry one might find examples in words that try to motivate the reader to act or think in some way through emotional arguments that are unsound or deceptive. Good prose poetry is not trying to manipulate the reader for the author’s benefit, but gives the reader an honest heartfelt self-understanding. At least that is how I see it at the moment.
That’s so kind of you to take the time to write this, thank you. ok I get it now, and see how it can go the wrong way if the writer loses the emotion and just fights the cause. Your explanation was very clear and I understand the choice of the 3 different videos in varying styles.
Well I have to think there is prose poetry – I’ve been writing it for decades! I think it is set as prose rather than verse, but has the heightened language and strong rhythms of poetry. Mind you, many people categorise Leaves of Grass as prose poetry, whereas I would call it free verse. (For one thing, it’s set as verse.) I also think there is a fine difference between prose poetry and poetic prose. I think the first chapter of Grapes of Wrath, for instance, is beautiful poetic prose, written by a master. But it is not a poem. It’s like having an ear for music – there is also such a thing as an ear for poetry, and we can train it if necessary. (I’m glad you finally got to appreciate Gibran. Some of his stuff isn’t so great, but I think The Prophet is a masterpiece, and perhaps transcends categories!)
PS It’s not so simple as whether you could chop something up into lines. Some prose poems you coudn’t easily, and yet… (Plenty of [prosaic] prose you could, and so what?)
I suspect if the prose poetry is very moving, chopping it into lines may distract the reader who might think the words need not be taken as seriously since it could be dismissed as poetry. But that is only if one is reading it. If one is hearing the poem the line breaks don’t matter because they are not seen.
I didn’t include Leaves of Grass as an example, because it was formatted with line breaks although the lines are long. Gibran uses line breaks with long lines also, but it popped up when I searched for examples. There is a 2014 movie called “The Prophet” featuring some of Gibran’s poetry. After watching that I became more impressed by Gibran. Maybe it was because I was now older than I was when I first read it as an undergraduate.
Ha ha, I recall that, in the days when I was very involved in performance poetry, we all agreed undergraduate audiences were the worst – too busy being incredibly cool to respond to the poetry.
Maybe. I think I didn’t understand it. I’m not sure I understand it now, but parts of it make more sense. In the example above “On Love” there’s a part about accepting the bleeding that stands out for me.
Doggoneit Frank, I wanted to do this but didn’t make it. Next time? Hugs!
No problem. There are other opportunities. I’ve missed many of these.
I have to say I have never believed in prose poetry but that is because I believe poetry should have rhythm even if it does not have rhyme.
Too late again, but will post here and be punctual next time.
http://roslynrosssmallstones.blogspot.com.au/2017/03/prose.html
I enjoyed your poem, Roslyn. It fit the prompt by writing a poem that argued against prose poetry which was one of the options.