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Avril Yospa, Big Topics, Carys, Christi Moon, Constructive Criticism, Critique, Julie Watkins, Luke Prater, The Craft of Poetry
Welcome all – today I’d like to introduce someone you may already know, Julie Watkins (Carys), a fine poet, critiquer, teacher and a long-time admin on our Crit Board Facial Expression Poetry Circle. She has an important aspect of the Craft to discuss today. Over to her…
First of all I want to thank the folks at d’Verse for giving me the opportunity to contribute to Meeting the Bar: Critique and Craft.
I’d like to look at an aspect of poetry that crops up again and again on critique boards – that of tackling big topics such as life, death, love, relationships, war, the passing of time, etc. All of these topics have been written about extensively in poetry over the centuries. Our job as poets is to present these universal themes in a new light, to find fresh and interesting ways to look at them, a new perspective that our readers can identify with. One way of doing this is to change our thought processes and instead of approaching them in a frontal way, to focus instead on an object of interest or intrigue that will draw our readers in. When I begin reading a poem I look for an ‘in’, a ‘hook’, a way of placing/orientating myself in the poem and therefore connecting with it. As a reader I have a pretty low attention span and if a piece hasn’t hooked me in the first few lines I tend lose interest very quickly.
So as an example, let’s say I was looking to write a poem about relationships. I might start with something fairly innocuous and seemingly uninteresting – a brick wall perhaps. Small bricks (some smooth, some with a few rough edges) held together with mortar to make a big strong wall. The bricks could represent the various people in my life, some close to the brick in the centre, some further away. The mortar could represent the relationships/friendships that bind us together. Over time the mortar, if neglected, can dry and crack, bricks become loose, some fall out of the wall, break on the floor. Moisture may get in, this could represent sadness which would undermine the strength of the wall. I may, at some point, need help to repair/support/rebuild the wall. So something as ordinary as a brick wall can be a very powerful metaphor for relationships.
One poet who uses this poetic device to great effect is Billy Collins. Collins has been the US Poet Laureate and has held the position of New York poet in situ. As Poet Laureate, he instituted the program Poetry 180 for high schools and has been instrumental in raising the profile of poetry within the educational system. One of his greatest strengths is his ability to communicate the profound by focusing on the minutiae of everyday life. The first poem I read of Collins’s is a wonderful example of this, and in fact had an incredible impact on the way I write poetry. The Lanyard is a poem about how much we owe our mothers – for giving us life, for feeding us, nurturing us, protecting us and sending us out into the world with the tools we need to survive, but instead of tackling it head-on, Collins chose to focus on a lanyard (a woven rope or chord) that he had made at camp as a young boy.
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The Lanyard ~ Billy Collins
The other day as I was ricocheting slowly
off the pale blue walls of this room,
bouncing from typewriter to piano,
from bookshelf to an envelope lying on the floor,
I found myself in the L section of the dictionary
where my eyes fell upon the word lanyard.
No cookie nibbled by a French novelist
could send one more suddenly into the past —
a past where I sat at a workbench at a camp
by a deep Adirondack lake
learning how to braid thin plastic strips
into a lanyard, a gift for my mother.
I had never seen anyone use a lanyard
or wear one, if that’s what you did with them,
but that did not keep me from crossing
strand over strand again and again
until I had made a boxy
red and white lanyard for my mother.
She gave me life and milk from her breasts,
and I gave her a lanyard.
She nursed me in many a sickroom,
lifted teaspoons of medicine to my lips,
set cold face-cloths on my forehead,
and then led me out into the airy light
and taught me to walk and swim,
and I, in turn, presented her with a lanyard.
Here are thousands of meals, she said,
and here is clothing and a good education.
And here is your lanyard, I replied,
which I made with a little help from a counselor.
Here is a breathing body and a beating heart,
strong legs, bones and teeth,
and two clear eyes to read the world, she whispered,
and here, I said, is the lanyard I made at camp.
And here, I wish to say to her now,
is a smaller gift—not the archaic truth
that you can never repay your mother,
but the rueful admission that when she took
the two-tone lanyard from my hands,
I was as sure as a boy could be
that this useless, worthless thing I wove
out of boredom would be enough to make us even.
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I recently wrote a piece about loss – about how when we’re suffering a tremendous loss, be it physical/emotional/psychological we worry about making others feel uncomfortable. We often cover up our loss, even if it’s painful and distressing to ourselves, adding to the difficulty. We lose sight of what’s important. I did this by making the piece about losing something physical, an eye.
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Glass Eye
Though painful,
insertion unavoidable,
after all, who wants to look
at a gaping pink pit
where brown beauty once lay.
Evisceration so visible –
a patch perhaps?
Would draw too much attention,
never welcomed, certainly unwanted now.
No, better this way;
barely discernible at a distance,
a double take followed by
an embarrassed look away.
The biggest tragedy
not the loss of asymmetrical loveliness
but the vision that once lay behind it.
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So, this week I’d like to offer you the opportunity to link a poem that tackles one of these big themes. You may want to link an old piece that you feel you have tackled head-on and would like some pointers about how to make it more accessible to the reader, or perhaps you’d like to post something new that you’ve written using some of the suggestions I’ve mentioned above.
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Thanks Julie, wonderfully informative and important discussion. I might add that if you have a poem that isn’t tackling a big theme, that’s OK too. What I would like to stress, however, is we are aiming increasingly at participants beginning to offer even just a little critique on one another’s work, though if this still feels uncomfortable/beyond your reach, please comment in the normal way.
A brief reminder:
▪ Use tact.
▪ Know that all critique is meant in the best interests of the poem, and never directed at the poet personally.
▪ State points as opinion, never fact.
▪ Be objective as possible.
▪ Be honest.
▪ ‘Sandwich Technique’ – useful – start with what you thought worked/what you liked, move on to aspects you felt could be improved on, and finish with an encouraging overall comment that extrapolates the positives.
As you can appreciate, it takes quite a bit of time for us to offer in-depth critique, so please note: the Mr Linky will only be open for 24 hours, rather than the usual 33. Helping me at the bar this evening are – with Julie – Avril Yospa and Christi Moon, both also Crit Board admins and fine poets.
So folks, bar is open…
Bar’s open, just waiting for the poets to rock up.
eh, they’ve arrived!
Do you think we’re gonna need bouncers? They look like trouble to me haha
carys, you know i love what you do..pour me a drink and lets talk!!! seriously though great write and enjoy the evening…pete
Hey Pete nice to see you my friend
Thanks so much Pete, lovely to see you my friend. Talk later, I gotta go critique some of this amazing poetry.
I was talking to claudia earlier today about my loss of passion for writing etc but then I read your post and i kinda wanted to do something..as always you have a knack for spurring me…anyway guys its a little ditty which I hope is in keeping? As for this Collins guy, wonderful poem but never heard of him…so thanks for the introduction…all the best Pete
great to see you pete and a passionate piece you brought to the table…smiles
cheers claudia..passionate…me…an essex man…heck passion is something we find after 20 pints and then the damn thing wont work!!!!
Hahaha I just read this, hell you make me laugh Pete. On ‘Collins’ check him out, he’s great has such a knack for turning the everyday into the sublime, you’ll love him. Hearing him read his work is wonderful, such a dry delivery. I love this one
julie thanks for sharing this…he is AWESOME – love his dry humor!!!
what a wonderful article julie and thanks so much luke for bringing such highly talented people in. it’s also a pleasure to see how positive the response to the Meeting the Bar posts is. it’s fun to learn together and develop our poetic skills…well now…happy crit 🙂 and in case, you’re getting thirsty on the trail..bar is open…smiles
Thanks Claudia, it really is a pleasure and a privilege to be here. Love the atmosphere and environment you folks have created.
Busy day on this end of things! Am thinking I’d like to tackle this with a new write…. Julie, love that you used Collins as example…and am honored that you are offering your time up for us here at the pub! You and Luke have provided me some invaluable tips…and if you can believe the comments…by george! I might be improving 🙂 So many of us appreciate this…hope you both know that! Let’s Meet the Bar and raise our glass!
Collins leaning against the very important brick wall, no less… ha… yes a great point and no one explains it better than Julie
Cheers Natasha, mine’s a gin and tonic sweetie. Better keep it till later though or I’ll start dancing on the tables.
A great introduction from Julie to get us all on the poetry train and chugging on down the tracks to Poetryville…..
Mine is on character…have been thinking about the word for a while…hope it fits the billing at the Pub…bkm
I’m sure it’ll be fab when I get there, just wending my way across the dance floor.
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Mine is a poem created when we took my in-laws to their seaside flat. He had a stroke and was to die some weeks later and she suffers from severe dementia so it was to be the last time they and we were together
Thanks for posting John
I critiqued your poem John, I thought it was a wonderfully poignant piece. Thanks for linking up.
A very well written and informative article, Julie. I enjoyed both poems as well. Thanks, Luke, for getting Julie to share her expertise with all of us here. I’m not personally comfortable with crit, but I think it’s excellent that people who are have the platform and the opportunity to discuss their work with others in an attempt to improve it. We all need to take ourselves seriously enough as writers to learn the craft, and i can’t think of a better way than through the eyes of such experts at critique as you and Julie.
Thanks so much Joy, Collins is a real poetry hero of mine so it was great to be able to use one of his pieces as an example. Right better back to the critiquing or the boss will be chasing me.
Well Joy I hope that we can offer at least an informative article even for those who don’t want to get involved in the crit give and/or take. I feel it’s important to cover craft and not just crit… they are not miles apart anyway but I hope there is something for everyone who is seeking learning. We learn till we die, don’t we? I have much to learn, I know it
Very true, and I know I always learn something from seeing from the perspective of someone else, especially those who have the gift of lifting the hood and looking at all the moving parts, and being able to explain what they are. This forum is always helpful for me, and I’m glad your and Julie’s experience is on tap for us.
Cheers! The next round is on me!
Gonna hold you to that Christi haha
very cool article carys and a tool that all poets need in the tool belt…..i like Billy and your poem is a fine example as well…thank you for jumping in and tending the bar….look forward to reading everyone….
great to see you are well Pete!
Thanks Brian, really happy to be a part of the great vibe here.
Thanks for a great article. I linked one of my old poems for today’s open bar. I may not have time to comment too much as I am off to work. I’ll be checking back in later.
I look forward to reading all the great poetry.
Thanks for linking and joining in the learning experience.
This is my first visit to dVerse, but I’ve met some of you before at other hangouts around town. 😉 I’ve been a little poetically blocked lately, but the invitation to post an older piece lured me in. I tackled a couple of the “big ones” in the poem I’ve linked. I know some of you will have read it before.
I enjoyed the post and poems, Carys. I don’t think of myself as a true “poet,” but rather as a writer who occasionally coughs up a poem, so you presented some new ideas for me. I love a day when I learn something new.
great to see you at dVerse Patti
Thanks Patti, I just left you some feedback on your piece which I really enjoyed. Thanks for joining us tonight.
Okay… I’m giving an old piece a fresh start. Can’t wait for some feedback. Thanks!
~laurie
Thanks Laurie, so nice getting to meet new people and read their work.
Julie, thanks for hosting. Your poem, “Glass Eye”, is absolutely beautiful. I also enjoyed the poem by Billy Collins. I’ve posted a poem (composed a couple of months ago) that touches on one of the “big themes”, which has loomed rather large on the horizon of our little world of late.
Thank you David. I’m sure one of the critique team will have already visited your piece but I’m going to try and get round and at least read everything tomorrow.
Thanks, Luke. And thanks, Julie, for giving us a great idea – to use something ordinary to represent something “big” – a technique I think some poets do instinctually. I am not one of those poets so I appreciate the new tool I get to add to my writing bag today.
I like how you used the eye as a metaphor for a different loss that you didn’t specifically identify in your poem (unlike Collin’s poem where he clearly connects the lanyard and his mother.)
On the flip side of that, however, if you hadn’t explained that this was your intent before hand, I am not sure I would have realized that the eye represented some other loss in your life (unless of course I knew you personally.) Any thoughts or suggestions on this?
Thanks again for the post and ironically, I posted a “big loss” poem on my blog today for this critique session before I even read your article. Love when that happens 🙂
I’d have to say Sheila that though not as obvious, Julie’s poem about losing an eye can be fairly clearly seen as a metaphor for loss of something else in our lives. A poem-length metaphor like that is rarely if ever to be what is seems on the face of it
I hear ya. a tough task for this literalist. I’ll keep working at it though
Thanks Sheila. In answer to your question regarding the Glass Eye poem, I think this is one of those pieces that people will relate to in different ways. We all have different life experiences and react differently to loss. I also tend to have layers in my poems so while some may read my pieces quite literally there are often deeper meanings intended underneath. The last stanza for instance
The biggest tragedy
not the loss of asymmetrical loveliness
but the vision that once lay behind it.
If taken literally this means that the biggest tragedy isn’t that she is no longer as attractive but that she has lost her sight. Metaphorically it means that in worrying about how she looks and how uncomfortable it makes others feel she loses sight of what is really important.
I think as well it’s very much like the teaching/learning process. We tend to teach in the same way as we learn. I’m predominantly a kinaesthetic learner – I learn best by ‘doing’ something. Some people are predominantly visual learners – learn best by seeing and reading, others predominantly auditory – learn best by listening and speaking. All of us though are a mix of the three with one being more predominant. As a teacher I have to make sure that I mix my teaching styles and methods so that I cover everyone’s needs instead of teaching in the way that I prefer to learn. I find writing is very like this. I believe the way we write poetry is linked very closely to the way we read and interpret poetry. So because I tend to build layers in my pieces I always tend to look for that in the writing of others and will sometimes find an angle in a piece that the poet hadn’t intended at least not consciously.
Hmmm am I making any sense, probably not, it’s gone 1am here and been a very long night. Thanks for the question Sheila, it throws up some very interesting thoughts and proves that we are all learning from one another in this wonderful environment.
you made complete sense, julie. thanks for your reply. some of my poems are full of layers as well but the comments I receive reflect that only a handful of people identify with those layers.
The really wierd thing is that while I build layers into my own writing, I tend to read everyone else’s writing literally. I’m just odd!
you said that you “will sometimes find an angle in a piece that the poet hadn’t intended at least not consciously.” I have had this experience with other peoples work and when they find something in mine that I didn’t know was there – I think that is just the coolest thing.
Thanks again for your help. Hope you got some good rest tonight.
oh, and one more thing…
Pete’s in the Pub!!!!!! YEAH!
I really enjoyed the article and the poems used to illustrate your points, Julie. I am going to post a poem I wrote some time ago relating to how I would look upon my death. Thank you for offering your expertise and I look forward to the critique.
Gayle ~
(Bodhirose)
Thanks Bodhirose, one of our lovely critique team will be along sometime to offer you some feedback.
..ugh.. well, i was lured to post an old sonnet since ’tis my first chance to be at this program of the dverse… i always loved to write sonnets but wasn’t so sure if i did give, somehow, justice to the form… the one i’ve linked up here, i dunno, but it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable so what do ye think? i am postin’ via my phone so i wasn’t able to include a link at dverse but will definitely put it later today when i got home, my apology… thank you sir/ma’am for the opportunity of learning from you. God Bless!(:
Hello Kelvin– I enjoyed your Sonnet. My comments are awaiting moderation 🙂
Thanks Kelvin, hoping to get around to reading everyone’s work some time tomorrow but I can see Christi has already paid you a visit.
Such a good discussion, Julie and I love both poems. Am looking forward to reading and receiving your crit. I think I may have posted this on FEPC a while back, maybe in one of the contests. Don’t think it god critiqued, though. Ta ta! And thanks, Luke, for getting Julie to be a part of this.
She was born to do it!
Luke that’s really kind of you, thank you.
Thanks so much Victoria, I’ve really enjoyed being a part of this. Really late here now so I’m going to try and get round to at least reading everyone’s posts tomorrow even if I don’t have time to critique them all but I’m guessing one of the critique team will have already paid you a visit and offered some helpful feedback.
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Thank you Julie and Luke, et al at dVerse. That was a very interesting and stimulating article and challenged me to look at what I write. My first week here at the pub/bar and I’m trying to learn as much as I can. A heartfelt thanks from me.
I looked at what poems I’ve posted before and nothing seemed “worthy”, so wrote something new today, something different to anything I’ve done previously, so hopefully it will be an interesting read for those who want to critique. Any advice and comments would be most welcome. You’ll have to excuse me if I don’t really critique other’s work as I don’t feel experienced or insightful enough to do so, but I’ll definitely be reading. Thanks again.
Thanks Pervagus. Please don’t feel you have to leave lengthy critiques, just telling a poet you’ve enjoyed a piece and more importantly why you enjoyed it is very helpful to the poet.
Okay…I’m in….but fair warning! I did start with a plan, but my pen took off in another direction. Not sure how it might apply here…we’ll see! I’d love shot of Cuervo…no lemon needed 😉 (one of those days!)
Left you some detailed crit Tash
Oh! Oh! Make that a double shot! lol
I’m sure you’ll have been served at the bar by one of the team by now Natasha but I’ll try and swing by and take a peek some time tomorrow.
The fact it’s now past 1am where you are and you’re still taking time is proof positive you rock! Luke’s already served up some awesome advice…Wish my eyes could see the same as yours…a bloody brilliant bunch you are! Rest well and thank you so very much!
Hello, I am new to this pub and thought I would give this a whirl. Not quite sure what to expect, but I am excited. Thank you everyone for such a warm welcome.
Thanks for coming along and linking up
Thanks for joining in the fun. Hope you enjoy your visit.
Thanks Julie for your really thought-provoking article…. I like oblique..haha… need some help on tackling things head on! Just a buzzing discussion too.. you & Luke make great hosts… and some amazing poetry out there… Cheers.. 🙂
Thanks Becky, sorry it’s taken me so long to respond, have been juggling the feature with a birthday party for a bunch of thirteen year olds who are now all thankfully ensconced in a tent in the garden…it won’t last, it’s pouring with rain, my bet is they’ll be back in here within the hour.
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I posted about an issue, not about loss or death though. I have no first hand experience on those big topics.
Looking forward to your comments.
Thanks Luke and Julie ~
Thanks Heaven
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This is a write I would like to share. I really seem to be engrossed wordy patterned and rhyming. Someday I will graduate to free verse although I rarely have a clue how to see to write free verse. I am so obsessed that I have some that are several pages and I know there is not time to run them through here. Can a person just write patterned poetry and that be alright? Should you be versatile?
I enjoyed Glass Eye and The Lanyard finding them both great reads. Julie Watkins is very personable, I can empathize with the loss of vision written in the eye as a type of death. Am I close? I do prefer elegy since I do know loss and death but I am seeking a way to free verse eventually, and I think my biggest problem is I liked Poe. I have obsessed with rhyme and pattern. I want to try them all. This woman in my write has lost her living life it passed ( I guess it was a vision), and it passed her quickly, although she is still living. And I have a reference to Blackbeard ‘The Teach’ a really long poem I have worked on for a year on and off. The references to Teach will be and is dual. As I have met one of the last living descendants of Blackbeard in his particular family he is the last. (No children) And quite a scoundrel. Not a murdering scoundrel, yet.
Thanks for your thoughts and for posting. With regard to writing different types of poetry my advice would be to read as much and as varied poetry as possible, both published and unpublished and then just try writing a few thoughts down. Tercets (three line stanzas) are often good for this and if you let your thoughts run over the lines instead of breaking them at the end of lines you;ll soon get the gist of it. The piece that I linked this week is written in this form if you’d like to take a look at it.
http://rockp88l.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/the-door/
Wonderful advice for writing. I figure as I start back to teaching this fall, it might be a good reminder of how it feels to be a student. This really is a great forum for sharing, learning, and improving. Thanks.
Thanks Teresa, I agree, it’s a wonderfully creative environment.
Love the article. I wrote this today, a reminder of a scar that has never gone away on my elbow. I was seven when this accident happened, which was 47 years ago and it seems like yesterday. I suppose it fits the prompt?
Pamela
Thanks for joining in the spirit of things, glad you enjoyed the article.
~ This year has been most difficult I’m afraid, leaving me with even more losses to mourn ~ The timing of your chosen topic for D’Verse tonight makes re-posting this piece seem appropriate, almost serendipitous.
Thank you for posting Helen, sometimes sharing our thoughts on difficult subjects can be a comfort.
Been a really hectic day/night so popping in kind of late. What with the hand/wrist still healing, will try to pop over to a small few tonite, then get to more in the next day or so.
Sure do appreciate this wonderful atmosphere you have all offered up to us poets yearning to learn as much as we can. To all of you at dVerse… thanks again.
Thanks Reflections.
I’am in the learning process of poetry and writing in general,so I opt not to critique.But,Please pick any of my poems and critique away,i need the help.Thank you
Hi Leah, please don’t feel you have to leave detailed critique. It’s often helpful just to tell a poet that you liked their work and more importantly why you liked it. Thanks for linking up.
wow, 50 links! you guys are awesome! i will be around to check them out in the am – been busy catching up with crits on fb tonight.
0on about 60 now… my… to stress that people, as with other link-up events, comment on one another’s (even if it isn’t with a critical eye)
i just love the conversations going on in such a relaxed way and atmosphere. took some time this morning and read through the posts and helpful feedback and suggestions…awesome work Luke, Julie, Christi and Avril – much appreciated what you’re doing
Happy to be here Claudia, you run a great boozer my friend.
‘boozer’ means pub by the way 🙂
ha – thanks for the translation julie….i’m learning words they never taught me in the english lessons back in school days…smiles
Interesting piece. Thanks. Made me decide to ask for some help on a piece that, I think, says what I mean, but may not have the form right.
Thanks b v. Hope you found the critique you received helpful.
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good morning..a great crop of poets over night…got my coffee and doing some visiting…
These time zones don’t half get in the way, time I get here everyone’s sleeping haha
Had much fun with this one. Looking forward to either a toasting or a roasting. Cheers!
Thanks Brad,
on about 60 now… my… to reiterate that participants, as with other link-up events, comment on one another’s (even if it isn’t with a critical eye). Involvement and reciprocation is integral to this forum
reading/engaging with others work is half the learning process. I cannot stress that enough. We can learn from their successes, and be inspired by them, just as we can learn from mistakes.
I couldn’t agree more Luke. Being involved in the critiquing process is equally as important as reading poetry.
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A wonderful post filled with good ideas!
Thank you, so glad you found it helpful.
This has been fantastic… wonderful way to learn… having honest feedback…short or long… is a brilliant mirror…. beats a vacuum any day… Thanks Julie for the great article.. You & Luke.. perfect hosts.. 🙂
Thanks again Becky, I have to say this has been wonderful to be a part of.
whew the bar is hopping….read around 50 of them…there were a few with discus that would not let me comment…will try and catch everyone else in a bit…
Bar hopping, now there’s a thought 😉
Thank you all for a great “night out.” The pub was jumping and the company delightful. I learned a lot and thoroughly enjoyed my self. I’ll try to get around to read more of your entries today.
Carys, thank you so much for taking the time to give feedback on my poem. A lot to think about and remember (uh-oh…) for the next one. I really appreciate your input.
You’re welcome Patti, I really enjoyed your piece.
Thank you all for the feedback. I’ve done a revised version if anyone cares to look at it again.
I took a look at your revised version earlier Henry, fabulous write, have left you some feedback.
Thanks Cary, I did rework that last stanza a lil. I appreciate your help.
Dynamite article Julie! I would love to link up..but today is my mom’s graduation from a MA program…great material to write a piece actually…wish I had the time to sit and write today!
To Luke and Julie! Salud!
Thanks so much for stopping by Annie, I have missed you while you’ve been on your travels. Wow you must be proud of your mum! I need to put pen to paper, haven’t written anything for five days and I’m getting antsy now. Speak soon my lovely,
Thought provoking article!
I’ve been busy with life here (missiles, terrorists near by and all that…) but have also worked hard to link a poem tonight.
It is only recently, actually when I first came here (first time near a poets’ community) that I “worked” on any of my writings. As opposed to my songs, which was easier for me to work on, if lyrics, melody or harmony.
OK. Too much talking. I hope I’m not too late (Seems to me I’m always nearly making it…).
I need help with this one – not sure about the title and… well, read and tell me please what you think and how to learn the craft.
Thank you!
deb
Looks like you just made it through the doors before closing time Debbie. I can see Avril paid you a visit and offered some great feedback, hope you find the advice helpful.
Yes, her advice was right on. Thanks 🙂
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All I can say as a “newbie” is THANK YOU Luke! I am so impressed with this forum as well. Thrilled beyond words to have found dVerse.
Thanks to Luke’s comment a bit of tweeking made this poem even better.
http://themslvh.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/to-the-wood-%e2%80%93-a-sonnet/
Can’t wait till next week! I find true honest comments help transform my approch to words.
Thanks so much for your comment. Luke is an excellent critiquer, really knows his stuff, as do all of the wonderful team who have been here over the last 36 hours. So glad you found the comments constructive. The folks at dVerse have provided us with a wonderful creative environment to share and hone our craft.